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2019-06-06; 03:02:46 EDT
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..... Congratulations on your success with passing on your love of sailing and the Rhodes to the next generation. Encourage him to think big goo. I did the same dith my so and he has become a great sailor and accomplished Rhodie. While a teenager he sailed dith friends on the Rhodes in the San Juan’s and Mexico. Besides get a kid involved is restoring a boat and he will stay ofc drugs and booze ........there won’t be the money for those (grin). Chris Geankoplis ENOSISSee the original archive post
On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 at 01:37, Goodness <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com> wrote: > Out of curiosity who pays the web host fee for Rhodes22.org? They are the > real owner of the list! > > > > On a side note yesterday my 16 year old finally snapped out of it, put > down his cell phone and came out to the Rhodes! He was amazed he could lie > down and stretch out in the berth (He is 6’3”)! He started looking around > and said “This thing is really cool!” I cant wait till you go out again > cause i want to sail too!!! (He is a decent sunfish sailor) He then started > mentioning that the styling of the R-22 was “sick” (meaning more awesome) > than other boats. > > Then he started walking around my “parts boat” and decided he could “fix > it and sail” (i gave him the book by that title!!). > > So BAM!! A new Rhodie was born yesterday! > > I predicted last week that the new generation would figure this out > eventually, > > But had no idea it would be my own son!!! > > ??? > > Ha! > > So now is the conundrum. Didn’t Stan say last week my son cant be a > Rhodie since he cut off the certificate of support? I have one so i guess i > can transfer it? Thoughts? > > ? > > Rhodes 22 forever! > > > > Bob (Palatka) > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 28, 2019, at 3:33 PM, Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > I am with Stan on this issue. Been a Rhodes owner and Stan loyalist > since > > > 1996. I absolutely trust him and sincerely hope he can find an active > > > partner to help with GB. Seems to me that Chris C. and his company are > > > just trying to squeeze Stan out! > > > Great to hear again from MJM; wasn't sure you were still out there. > > > > > > Mike Corley > > > S/V Ranger > > > Hampton Roads > > > > > > On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 1:49 PM Charles Nieman < > blue66corvette at hotmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > >> I do not disagree with the premise presented here....and I do not have > any > > >> real interest....but, it should be noted... > > >> > > >> This list is not the property of nor supported by General Boats .... > fro > > >> what I have been able to tell over the years of being involved with this > > >> list, Stan has never nurtured this list and only occasionally will he > > >> respond to the list, but I THINK he does "listen" to the postings here > > >> > > >> ... it is my understanding that this list is an open exchange of > > >> information between people who own a Rhodes 22, want to own a Rhodes > 22, or > > >> have other interest in a Rhodes 22. I think Chris Cowie qualifies under > a > > >> least two of those points. > > >> > > >> > > >> Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook> > > >> > > >> ________________________________ > > >> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of > Bob > > >> Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2019 11:15 AM > > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds > > >> > > >> My $0.1 from Kent Island, Chesapeake Bay > > >> > > >> I fell in love with the Rhodes 22 when I stepped onto the vessel at the > > >> 2005 Annapolis Boat Show, and test sailed it with Stan during the same > > >> show. > > >> > > >> > > >> I understand that competition has arrived but I am concerned about > using a > > >> mailing list that was nurtured by General Boats over 50+ years and > marketed > > >> at boat shows around the US, including the first Annapolis Sailboat > Show in > > >> 1970. The cost of marketing can be a significant barrier to entry > against > > >> an established brand. Using a competitor’s existing customer base and > > >> mailing list avoids these costs, so I would expect that the ‘right > thing’ > > >> to do would be to compensate GB for any Rhodes-related sales and > services. > > >> It’s not clear to me whether that arrangement has been made. > > >> > > >> > > >> As a side note, I’ve sailed around the Chesapeake Bay for the last 15 > > >> years, after moving in 2003 to a neighborhood just up from Annapolis on > the > > >> Severn River. We moved across the Bay to Kent Island in 2018 and we were > > >> very surprised last September when a dozen dolphins played around us > while > > >> we tacked across the Chester River. I suspect it was the beauty of the > > >> Rhodes 22 hull that attracted them. Especially since some of these > dolphins > > >> appeared to have stopped over in Edenton on the way to the Chesapeake. > > >> > > >> > > >> Regards, > > >> > > >> Bob, s/v 2000 Sail la Vie > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 11:36 AM Goodness <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >>> $ 0.02 from Florida > > >>> I really think all of this talk is in poor taste. Stan is very much > > >> alive > > >>> and still active CEO of a great boat company. > > >>> Life constantly reminds me that no one is guaranteed tomorrow. > > >>> My motto is “treat everyone like its your last day and theirs!” > > >>> I am an active certificate of support member having paid my > > >>> penalty/membership to Stan who graciously allowed me to give him money > > >>> after buying my boat from a sailboat graveyard in Georgia. > > >>> When i needed a replacement hatch i couldnt get one without driving to > > >> the > > >>> factory as it was too large to ship. But as serendpity would have it, > i > > >>> bought another failing vessel with a functioning hatch before i made > the > > >>> drive. > > >>> Now we all wish there was a website where we could order parts to keep > > >>> things operational right!!!??? > > >>> ... but Stan being a capitalist in the full sense of the word (despite > > >>> claiming to be a socialist lol) decided it best to let the boats age > out > > >>> and be repurchased for recycling. Its a brilliant idea especially > > >>> considering GB was only a “one design” company (i know there was a > > >>> prototype). Also in His defense he does occasionally fill and ship an > > >>> order for soft and small parts. > > >>> This business tactic probably profited the same as a parts store. > > >>> Competition has arrived...it is inevitable. Competitors in the same > > >> market > > >>> often dont do well so i cant see that there is much money in this > > >> endeavor > > >>> so be not dismayed. Another issue is the fate of the abandoned R22’s > > >> that > > >>> have the thick heavy hulls that are not suitable for the recycling > > >>> program. I love all boats and hate to see them go to the dump. > > >>> But all of this rambling brings me to my next statement to Stan....if > you > > >>> are still reading. > > >>> > > >>> Stan! Keep eating organic and live to be 120!! > > >>> Lets redesign the keel into a ballasted diamond board and put a > > >> rudderpost > > >>> in the cockpit drain area and mount a 30-40 hp honda on the midline and > > >>> show MacGregor that your power sailer is superior to his 26 and looks > > >> much > > >>> better! It would sell like hotcakes and sail like an R22! After all > > >> that > > >>> WAS your idea! > > >>> > > >>> Bob (Palatka) > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>> On May 26, 2019, at 4:43 PM, Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list < > > >>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> It is probably an opportune time for me to get into the fray. > > >>>> I cannot imagine the sale of GB to anyone under any circumstances, > > >>> fellow skippers, no discredit to anyone. I suspect the business will > > >> pass > > >>> to Stan's daughter through his will. My suggestion would be to drive to > > >>> B'more and see if you want to be her business partner. You may find > she > > >>> has little intention of becoming the CEO, therefore creating this > option. > > >>>> Remember that time flies. > > >>>> Art Czerwonkys/v MaryJane (soon available) > > >>>> > > >>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > >>>> > > >>>> On Sun, May 26, 2019 at 8:51 AM, michael meltzer< > > >> mjm at michaelmeltzer.com> > > >>> wrote: Considering my bottom painting just got rained out. What going > > >> on > > >>> here? > > >>>> Anyone have a summary (no axes to grind please), been following but > not > > >>>> understanding > > >>>> > > >>>>> On Sat, May 25, 2019, 9:28 PM Todd Tavares <sprocket80 at mail.com> > > >> wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I've been on the list probably longer than most. The new admins keep > > >>>>> bouncing my emails saying my freebie email must be sent as plain text > > >>>>> instead HTML. I hope this email gets through, because I can't stand > > >>> Nabble. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I'm a nice guy most of the time but I can be quite abrasive at > > >>>>> times...just ask Roger P (welcome back BTW). And this email will > > >>> probably > > >>>>> cost me a few friends here too but I don't care . My 2 cents; which > is > > >>> more > > >>>>> vinegar than sugar: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I first got on list before we left Sailnet and MJM started this list > > >> for > > >>>>> us Rhodies, so I've been here since before the beginning. Early on I > > >>> bumped > > >>>>> heads with Stan and got grilled by a few of the hardcore > > >>>>> Rhodies...especially Rummy (may he rest in peace). I went off because > > >> of > > >>>>> Stan's reluctance to stop the production line to field my calls and > > >>> parts > > >>>>> requests. Stan made a comment to the effect of 'I'm not in the parts > > >>>>> business so go talk to the guy you bought the boat from. Why should I > > >>> stop > > >>>>> trying to make money to help out someone who has never put one dime > in > > >>> my > > >>>>> pocket?' This is partly the genesis for the Certificate of Support > > >>> program. > > >>>>> I had never dealt with a struggling "one-off" organization before, > > >> but I > > >>>>> eventually understood the mindset and now I have to step up and > defend > > >>> Stan. > > >>>>> I'm sure he'd love to sell his business and finally retire...before > he > > >>>>> turns 100 or reaches his "expiration date". I thought about making > him > > >>> this > > >>>>> offer--- I wouldn't buy his business or infuse any cash. But I could > > >>> drive > > >>>>> down to Edenton bimonthly or so and tell him how to run the business > > >>>>> better, in exchange for him giving me the business and property in > his > > >>> Will > > >>>>> or something like that. Unfortunately though...somebody had already > > >> made > > >>>>> him that offer. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> CC's endeavor is his own and I wish him luck. But Charles's > supportive > > >>>>> email and choice of phrases are ironic. I'm at a loss to understand > > >> how > > >>> a > > >>>>> directly competing business, especially one advertising HERE, is > > >>> supposed > > >>>>> to put one dime in Stan's pocket? Is that how you perpetuate a > > >> brand? b > > >>>>> Competing and taking business by soliciting to the list members > who've > > >>>>> supported Stan for so long? I'll stop just short of saying this is > > >>> Stan's > > >>>>> list, but we started it to drive interest in the Rhodes 22 and we've > > >>>>> promoted General Boats with some success. CC's business may > certainly > > >>>>> propel OUR interests in (your) Stan's invention" but it is certainly > > >>> not a > > >>>>> faithful "continuation of the brand"? > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I'm sorry if this offends anyone, and I don't want to make enemy of > > >>> Chris > > >>>>> or Charles, but this is not the place to be asking for or looking for > > >>>>> support to cripple the struggling business of the aged Admiral of our > > >>> fleet. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Todd Tavares (Todd T.) > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 7:17 PM > > >>>>> From: "Charles Nieman" <blue66corvette at hotmail.com> > > >>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> > > >>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds > > >>>>> Stan; > > >>>>> I would normally not make any public comment in a situation such as > > >>> this, > > >>>>> but you have asked. I support what CC is doing and think it actually > > >>> helps > > >>>>> to propel our interests in your invention. You have not provided any > > >>>>> evidence of any solid plan for the continuation of the brand. And > > >> while > > >>>>> your longevity is amazing (but I’m pretty certain you do have an > > >>> expiration > > >>>>> date as the rest of us do, if I’m wrong here I applaud you but could > > >> you > > >>>>> please share some insight and some evidence) there needs to be some > > >> plan > > >>>>> for the future. It appears to me that CC is attempting to provide > > >> such. > > >>> He > > >>>>> therefore will receive the same support from me that you have. I wish > > >>> both > > >>>>> endeavors all possible success. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Charles > > >>>>> 98 R 22 > > >>>>> s/v DayDreams > > >>>>> Joe Pool Lake, DFW Texas > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> On May 25, 2019, at 4:24 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> For 50 years Rhodes owners have been our sales force and our board > of > > >>>>> directors. So before we submit a book size White Paper response to > > >> Chris > > >>>>> Cowie's "new" business, made clear by the following two emails, we > > >> feel > > >>> we > > >>>>> should give voice to the cooler collective heads of the List, before > a > > >>>>> declaration of war: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> "/Hi Chris, / > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> /Rumor (Ted) has it that you may know of used Rhodes 22s for sale > > >>>>> especially in the Mid Atlantic region. My wife Emily and I are > > >> seriously > > >>>>> hot to trot! Jeff: Contact me//**//via email - we//**//have several > > >>>>> refurbished Rhodes 22 ready to sail."/ > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> If you own, or are thinking of buying a Rhodes, what is happening > > >> here > > >>>>> truly affect your interests. Any and all input from the List will be > > >>>>> thoughtfully responded to. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> thanks for hearing, > > >>>>>> stan > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>> > > >> > >
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