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ROGER PIHLAJA
Mold under the cockpit sole and in the bilge & lazarette?
2019-04-17; 16:24:49 EDT
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If water from the bilge and lazarette can seep under the cockpit sole and there is foam under there; then, that’s a perfect mold growth environment. Any new water flushing thru there would contaminate the lazarette &/or the bilge with mold. Has anyone with one of these newer boats experienced mold issues? Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhoneSee the original archive post
> On Apr 17, 2019, at 11:18 AM, stan spitzer <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote: > > > The boats we build have a fiberglass cockpit liner that forms the floor, the sides under the seats and its fore and aft bulkhead. This offers open space under the seats for storage and natural feet placement when sitting and walking. To my knowledge no other builder goes to this extent of a separate mold to accomplish this. There are no wood bulkheads, at least in the Rhodes we have built. This separate glass cockpit liner is installed before the deck goes on and sits on a molded foam block. No attempt is made to keep any rain or boat washing water that may get into the Lazarette, from making its way to the bilge. > > > > On 4/16/19 10:03 AM, Goodness wrote: > > On some boats the water just oozes under the foam. On other boats the lazarette has been glassed in. (Prob by owners tired of the heavy rains overflowing the seat drains and wetting the bilge) > > > > On Apr 15, 2019, at 5:35 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com><mailto:Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com> wrote: > > Stan, > > > > I just went out and looked at the aft end of my cabin under the cabin sole. There is a similar solid wood bulkhead glassed into the underside of the cockpit sole at the forward end of the cockpit and the bottom of the bilge. This bulkhead is the aft end of the bilge. Again, it looks like something from the factory. Maybe my memory is faulty; but, didn’t you used to claim the Rhodes 22 was unsinkable because of the floatation foam under the V-berths and under the cockpit sole? The floatation foam under the V-berths is obvious. Although I’ve never drilled a hole thru the cockpit sole to check, I always assumed the space between the cockpit sole and the hull was full of foam. I always thought that was one reason why the cockpit sole is so firm underfoot – like a concrete sidewalk! > > > > So, with solid bulkheads under the front and aft ends of the cockpit sole and the space between the cockpit sole and hull full of foam, how are the lazarette and bilge connected? Or, if current boats are built differently from my early model, when did it change? > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986><https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 > > > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org><mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com><mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com> > Sent: Monday, April 15, 2019 4:49:28 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair > > Stan, > > I realize my 1976 Rhodes was probably built for General Boats by a subcontractor. But, I’m curious how the lazarette and bilge are connected. My boat has a solid wood bulkhead that’s glassed into the underside of the cockpit sole and the boat’s hull at the forward end of the lazarette. It looks like something from the factory. I’ve owned the boat since 1987 and I’ve certainly never put anything like that in there. With that bulkhead there, where is the connection with the bilge? > > Having said that, I have to admit I’ve never actually tried filling the lazarette with water to see if it shows up in the bilge. In the nearly 32 years I’ve owned the boat, I’ve always pumped out the lazarette and bilge separately. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Apr 15, 2019, at 4:33 PM, stan spitzer <stan at rhodes22.com><mailto:stan at rhodes22.com> wrote: > > OK, I have 2 minutes, my wonderful new TX Rhodie having just left for his big trek home. > > Please don't toss around 'no Rhodes are built the same', lightly. True if your boat was built for us and not by us; truer if you boat was bought from a private seller whose creativity turns out not to work. > > The lazaret was always designed for water that might get into it, to make its way to the bilge. If water stays in the lazaret that is someone else's re-design. > > If you have a diamondboard keel system, There is no pin going through the keel, its single control line uses no hardware, its neoprene reusable gasket should not be used with any sealant, and its fastening system uses machine screws, lock nuts and fender washers. No torquing instruments needed. Simply tighten to the point that the gasket just starts to move. All GB fastening elements are stainless steel so when one of you writes about changing rusted parts you are not writing about a GB installation. > > Nor are sealants used for deck hardware. O ring gaskets are. > > Water gets in all boats. Note the water coming out of the hull sides of the big boys. Their bilge pumps are working a good deal of their time. We are against bilge pumps for the Rhodes. > > Water accumulates: > > From condensation: Least so on a Rhodes with its insulating head liner and more ventilation than others: Slightly boosted down pop top, cabin top hatches, bow air scoop fixture. Trick: A large sponge in the bilge. Visit it routinely and keep water in the bilge to a minimum. > > Below the water line: Not your problem. Boats sold by GB with a new boat guarantee do not leak below the water line. > > Above the water line: Blame the rain. Mostly all fixable, permanently. The two upper shroud chain plates are the only exceptions in that they require the lifting of their chain plate covers for resealing and are not suitable for O ring salvation. > > There are Rhodes owners who tell us their boats are always bone dry. A mistake on our part. If we build a boat that does not have a single leak, we keep it. > > > On 4/15/19 3:12 PM, Peter Nyberg wrote: > > From my exhaustive reading of the list archives, I can answer the question about whether or not the lazarette is connected to the main cabin bilge. As with many construction details of the Rhodes 22, the answer is ‘it depends’. Some owners report that they are separate, some report that they are connected. The only way to tell for sure is to test your boat. > > —Peter > > > > On Apr 15, 2019, at 1:42 PM, JP Dempsey <joedempsey at hughes.net><mailto:joedempsey at hughes.net><mailto:joedempsey at hughes.net><mailto:joedempsey at hughes.net> wrote: > > Roger, The more I think about it and reading your last post, I like the idea > of using RTV on the CB. I do plan to inspect the entire CB system--blocks, > pinion, gasket, etc. Any recommendation on torque settings for the cap > bolts? I plan to paint the bilge as well. Also do you know if the bilge is > continuous to the lazarette or is that compartment separate? Thanks for > your input. > > > > ----- > JP Dempsey > s/v Respite > Rhodes 22 1989/2005 > Marshall,VA > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________
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