Stan ism
"/One/ /man/ can raise the mast without the GB mast hoist system.  We just
have not found him yet".

One of many.

Jerry in NC

On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 12:43 PM Stan Spitzer <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:

>
> I have done it single handed at boat shows all over the country.  Of
> course I was in my eighties then.  Great single handed option.  The
> booklet that comes with it does say that, "/One/ /man/ can raise the
> mast without the GB mast hoist system.  We just have not found him yet".
>
> stan
>
> On 8/27/18 12:29 PM, Joseph Dempsey wrote:
> > If you're using the Rhodes mast Cradle and mast winch, you don't need
> two people. I've done it solo 4 times in one and a half years.
> >
> > Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device
> >
> >
> >    Original Message
> > From: rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org
> > Sent: August 27, 2018 6:15 AM
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Reply-to: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Subject: Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4090, Issue 1
> >
> > Send Rhodes22-list mailing list submissions to
> > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >
> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> > http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> > rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org
> >
> > You can reach the person managing the list at
> > rhodes22-list-owner at rhodes22.org
> >
> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> > than "Re: Contents of Rhodes22-list digest..."
> >
> >
> > Today's Topics:
> >
> >     1. Re: Chris Cowie and GB (Mrbabs)
> >     2. Re: Chris Cowie and GB (Stan Spitzer)
> >     3. Lowering the mast (David Talbot)
> >     4. Re: Chris Cowie and GB (Joe Camp)
> >     5. Re: Lowering the mast (Richard Beytagh)
> >     6. Re: Lowering the mast (Curtis Ruck)
> >     7. Re: Lowering the mast (mweisner at ebsmed.com)
> >     8. Re: Lowering the mast (David Talbot)
> >     9. Gallons per hour (Chris Cowie)
> >    10. Re: Gallons per hour (Charles Nieman)
> >    11. Re: Gallons per hour (Chris Cowie)
> >    12. Re: Gallons per hour (Rick Lange)
> >    13. Re: Gallons per hour (Stephen Staum)
> >    14. Re: Gallons per hour (S/V Lark)
> >    15. Re: Gallons per hour (Rick Lange)
> >    16. Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22 (Tex Hill)
> >    17. Re: Helping Other Rhodies (elle)
> >    18. Re: Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22 (S/V Lark)
> >    19. Re: Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22 (S/V Lark)
> >    20. Re: Helping Other Rhodies (marcelsophia)
> >    21. Re: Helping Other Rhodies (Chris Cowie)
> >    22. Re: Helping Other Rhodies (Stan Spitzer)
> >    23. Re: Helping Other Rhodies (scranevmd at verizon.net)
> >    24. Re: Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22 (Charles Gabriel)
> >    25. Re: Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22 (Tex Hill)
> >    26. Re: Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22 (S/V Lark)
> >    27. Re: Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22 (Chris Cowie)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 12:10:51 -0700 (MST)
> > From: Mrbabs <Marc at babineauins.com>
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Chris Cowie and GB
> > Message-ID: <1535051451475-0.post at n5.nabble.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> > For Rhodies new and old, the continuation of General Boats is a positive
> > proposition.  Who wants to own an orphan boat, even if beautiful?
> >
> > How the continuation occurs is solely in the hands of the well known and
> > very respected helmsman himself.  The term "partnering" can mean
> different
> > things to different people. Investments or partnerships can be made with
> > time, talent or treasure. Interested parties rightly want to know what
> their
> > ROI would be.
> >
> > Those wishing to partner must set forth their vision of what a
> partnership
> > needs to look like to entice interest.
> >
> > But if one assumes the value of the business and real estate is
> $2,000,000,
> > simple math says General Boats would have to generate a profit of $14,000
> > per month to amortize a 20 year note. You would need to sell X number of
> new
> > and recycled Rhodes to pay the operating expenses plus generate the
> required
> > profit?
> >
> > Maybe the real estate has a higher value than what a boat manufacturer
> can
> > support?  I don't know the answers to any of these questions, but now
> that
> > we have embarked on a public discussion, maybe a basic framework can be
> > established starting with Stan's wish list.
> >
> > Speaking for myself, I would like to be able to access and order parts
> > online!
> >
> > We seem to be caught in the doldrums on this issue and although it's my
> hope
> > Stan lives another 92 years, the time and tide wait for no man.
> >
> > Humble and respectful,
> > I remain
> >
> > Marc B.
> > s/v Baby Steps  2007/2013
> > Westminster, MA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----
> > Marc B.
> > s/v Baby Steps
> > Westminster MA
> > Sailing Narragansett Bay
> >
> > --
> > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 08:44:17 -0400
> > From: Stan Spitzer <stan at rhodes22.com>
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Chris Cowie and GB
> > Message-ID: <a9ddf75c-3bf3-cd0d-67eb-8fff037bc324 at rhodes22.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> >
> > Mark,
> >
> > Thanks for your scholarly input.? I expect no less from you.? The
> > semantics that pops out first in my read is the word "Return" from ROI
> > (return on investment).? I know most of my growing up together friends,
> > no longer with us, took the narrow read as "dollars".? Of course ones
> > meaning for "return" is, rightly so, a personal one.? I started out, for
> > some unclear reasons, choosing the one that meant a long, physically and
> > mentally healthy, happy life.? One of my confirmations came at a class
> > reunion.? A lady I had trouble placing, tugged at my sweater, "You are
> > the only husband here doing what you want to do".
> >
> > stan, with a fuller response to your mail, still to come, if you really
> > want.
> >
> >
> > On 8/23/18 3:10 PM, Mrbabs wrote:
> >> For Rhodies new and old, the continuation of General Boats is a positive
> >> proposition.  Who wants to own an orphan boat, even if beautiful?
> >>
> >> How the continuation occurs is solely in the hands of the well known and
> >> very respected helmsman himself.  The term "partnering" can mean
> different
> >> things to different people. Investments or partnerships can be made with
> >> time, talent or treasure. Interested parties rightly want to know what
> their
> >> ROI would be.
> >>
> >> Those wishing to partner must set forth their vision of what a
> partnership
> >> needs to look like to entice interest.
> >>
> >> But if one assumes the value of the business and real estate is
> $2,000,000,
> >> simple math says General Boats would have to generate a profit of
> $14,000
> >> per month to amortize a 20 year note. You would need to sell X number
> of new
> >> and recycled Rhodes to pay the operating expenses plus generate the
> required
> >> profit?
> >>
> >> Maybe the real estate has a higher value than what a boat manufacturer
> can
> >> support?  I don't know the answers to any of these questions, but now
> that
> >> we have embarked on a public discussion, maybe a basic framework can be
> >> established starting with Stan's wish list.
> >>
> >> Speaking for myself, I would like to be able to access and order parts
> >> online!
> >>
> >> We seem to be caught in the doldrums on this issue and although it's my
> hope
> >> Stan lives another 92 years, the time and tide wait for no man.
> >>
> >> Humble and respectful,
> >> I remain
> >>
> >> Marc B.
> >> s/v Baby Steps  2007/2013
> >> Westminster, MA
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----
> >> Marc B.
> >> s/v Baby Steps
> >> Westminster MA
> >> Sailing Narragansett Bay
> >>
> >> --
> >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> >> __________________________________________________
> >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >>
> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >> __________________________________________________
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 17:32:39 -0400
> > From: David Talbot <talbotdavid50 at gmail.com>
> > To: Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Lowering the mast
> > Message-ID:
> > <CAJK53dKjecMP2yh38zebGvLYgj5KfSWRYcTovC1JsmO=3QGo4g at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >
> > Any suggestions out there for a 2-person lowering?
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 22:38:48 +0000 (UTC)
> > From: Joe Camp <jjcampjr at yahoo.com>
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Chris Cowie and GB
> > Message-ID: <2103667107.3502815.1535150328646 at mail.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >
> > Hi Friend;
> > ???? And I am not starting this way to tickle your poo-gullet (or
> whatever the current hyperbole for ass kissing is) and I won't run this on
> and on (as I am wont to... most of the time, as writers and English
> professors do).? I only want to comment on your enviable cache of pure
> wisdom displayed on the list and acquired over the years of rebuffing long
> lines of grommet bandits (as my long departed cop buddy and USN veteran who
> served on a? a sea-going tug in the North Atlantic during WW Deuce used to
> quip when referring to insults to a sailor's scuppers out-flow ). There
> was? no time then for eloquent semantics (I really love that word, say it
> out loud, "semantics";? It belongs in a poem) when riding fifty foot swells
> while steaming west from the Canary Islands chained to a torpedoed troop
> carrier headed to New Jersey.? Crap! looks as if I did get carried away
> again.?? No matter.
> >
> > ???? Ergo, allow me to close with this gem of a statement: As it turns
> out, you, yes you Stan are my personal ROI associated with belonging to
> this boat family. That's it, Pappy.
> >
> >
> > Joe Camp
> > sv John Dawson
> > Presumed floating on the Bohemia River, Earleville, MD.
> >
> >
> >     On Friday, August 24, 2018, 8:44:22 AM EDT, Stan Spitzer <
> stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
> >
> > Mark,
> >
> > Thanks for your scholarly input.? I expect no less from you.? The
> > semantics that pops out first in my read is the word "Return" from ROI
> > (return on investment).? I know most of my growing up together friends,
> > no longer with us, took the narrow read as "dollars".? Of course ones
> > meaning for "return" is, rightly so, a personal one.? I started out, for
> > some unclear reasons, choosing the one that meant a long, physically and
> > mentally healthy, happy life.? One of my confirmations came at a class
> > reunion.? A lady I had trouble placing, tugged at my sweater, "You are
> > the only husband here doing what you want to do".
> >
> > stan, with a fuller response to your mail, still to come, if you really
> > want.
> >
> >
> > On 8/23/18 3:10 PM, Mrbabs wrote:
> >> For Rhodies new and old, the continuation of General Boats is a positive
> >> proposition.? Who wants to own an orphan boat, even if beautiful?
> >>
> >> How the continuation occurs is solely in the hands of the well known and
> >> very respected helmsman himself.? The term "partnering" can mean
> different
> >> things to different people. Investments or partnerships can be made with
> >> time, talent or treasure. Interested parties rightly want to know what
> their
> >> ROI would be.
> >>
> >> Those wishing to partner must set forth their vision of what a
> partnership
> >> needs to look like to entice interest.
> >>
> >> But if one assumes the value of the business and real estate is
> $2,000,000,
> >> simple math says General Boats would have to generate a profit of
> $14,000
> >> per month to amortize a 20 year note. You would need to sell X number
> of new
> >> and recycled Rhodes to pay the operating expenses plus generate the
> required
> >> profit?
> >>
> >> Maybe the real estate has a higher value than what a boat manufacturer
> can
> >> support?? I don't know the answers to any of these questions, but now
> that
> >> we have embarked on a public discussion, maybe a basic framework can be
> >> established starting with Stan's wish list.
> >>
> >> Speaking for myself, I would like to be able to access and order parts
> >> online!
> >>
> >> We seem to be caught in the doldrums on this issue and although it's my
> hope
> >> Stan lives another 92 years, the time and tide wait for no man.
> >>
> >> Humble and respectful,
> >> I remain
> >>
> >> Marc B.
> >> s/v Baby Steps? 2007/2013
> >> Westminster, MA
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----
> >> Marc B.
> >> s/v Baby Steps
> >> Westminster MA
> >> Sailing Narragansett Bay
> >>
> >> --
> >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> >> __________________________________________________
> >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >>
> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >> __________________________________________________
> > __________________________________________________
> > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >
> > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> > __________________________________________________
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 21:17:46 -0400
> > From: Richard Beytagh <rbeytagh at gmail.com>
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Lowering the mast
> > Message-ID:
> > <CALbDJ9bs+=XonzYrJhjBCtSGFB70g6SvsDPb=xS5yNU1_Zj4Vg at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >
> > Main question, do you have any of the mast lowering/raising paranafalia?
> >
> >
> > ~~~ _/) ~~~
> >
> > Richard Beytagh
> > Phone: 828 337 0180
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 5:32 PM David Talbot <talbotdavid50 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Any suggestions out there for a 2-person lowering?
> >> __________________________________________________
> >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >>
> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> go
> >> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >> __________________________________________________
> >>
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 21:54:05 -0400
> > From: Curtis Ruck <ruckc at yahoo.com>
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Lowering the mast
> > Message-ID:
> > <CAFgGLFdw65G=dErGEKAYRu7rLk5iMw3VLj7_BMbGpX=usUjViw at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > I don't have the General Boats nice/new mast raising lowering kit, but i
> > have what appears to be a DIY raising lowering kit that works very well
> for
> > single hand lift in low wind.  in higher wind i just get a bystander at
> the
> > marina to hold one of the shrouds against the wind for balance.
> >
> > The 2x4 on the mast end, is concave, to grip the mast, with a cheap
> ratchet
> > strap to hold it against the mast.  On the other end, it has two loop
> > brackets.  On the top side, i just attach the main sheet, and have the
> > other end secured.  On the bottom side, it has a line going from a cheap
> > dinghy trailer winch through a block/pulley going to the fore stay
> > attachment point.
> >
> > I attach the rear shrouds before raising so once its up, i can pull
> against
> > them and the backstays to keep it from falling to one side or the other.
> > then I quickly attach the rest of the shrouds, then the forestay/furler.
> >
> > It is a very very simple system.  I've raised lowered in 10 knots of wind
> > without significant issue.  I've heard. the GB system can raise/lower in
> an
> > hour.  I can have this boat ready to sail in 2 hours.  I'm not sure what
> > optimizations Stan made in his system to have a sub 1 hour time... maybe
> > the in-mast furling?  Maybe quick adjusting stay/shroud rigging screws?
> It
> > takes me 45 minutes just to get all of the shrouds/stays adjusted
> right.  I
> > do not believe my 1979 Rhodes sails good with loose rigging.  I've
> > typically adjust them to 200 lbs.
> >
> > --
> > Curtis
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 9:17 PM Richard Beytagh <rbeytagh at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Main question, do you have any of the mast lowering/raising paranafalia?
> >>
> >>
> >> ~~~ _/) ~~~
> >>
> >> Richard Beytagh
> >> Phone: 828 337 0180
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 5:32 PM David Talbot <talbotdavid50 at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Any suggestions out there for a 2-person lowering?
> >>> __________________________________________________
> >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> >>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >>>
> >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> go
> >>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >>> __________________________________________________
> >>>
> >> __________________________________________________
> >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >>
> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> go
> >> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >> __________________________________________________
> >>
> > -------------- next part --------------
> > A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
> > Name: IMG_9890.JPG
> > Type: image/jpeg
> > Size: 2031347 bytes
> > Desc: not available
> > URL: <
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20180824/cb89a1ee/attachment.jpe
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 22:39:24 -0400
> > From: <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> > To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Lowering the mast
> > Message-ID: <000401d43c1c$d6eaa600$84bff200$@ebsmed.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;     charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > David,
> >
> > Two persons can easily raise or lower the original non-IMF from the bow.
> > There is no need for a mast crane.  It is really not that heavy and the
> > second person is there for safety and when you need to change your grip
> at
> > about 30 degrees from the horizontal.  The mast and genoa combo are
> easily
> > supported by the bow pulpit.
> >
> > If you have the IMF mast, the weight is considerably greater.  The IMF
> rig
> > is best raised or lowered from a mast crutch located in the stern.  The
> > crutch helps to start raising or finish lowering at a point that is well
> > above the horizontal (about 30 degrees).  The crutch reduces the effort
> > required by the mast crane to start raising or finish lowering the mast
> > assembly.  If the mast was perfectly horizontal it would be nearly
> > impossible to use the crane.  Using a crane system requires a single
> > individual, although a second is recommended for safety and in case
> lines or
> > shrouds get caught during the process.
> >
> > I have raised and lowered the IMF rig without the benefit of a crane
> system
> > with four strong guys and two six packs of beer.  Unfortunately, even
> > increasing the beer ratio would not enable two persons to safely lower an
> > IMF rig without a crane.
> >
> > Mike
> > s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> > Nissequogue River, NY
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> David
> > Talbot
> > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 5:33 PM
> > To: Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Lowering the mast
> >
> > Any suggestions out there for a 2-person lowering?
> > __________________________________________________
> > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >
> > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> go to
> > http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> > __________________________________________________
> >
> >
> > ---
> > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> > https://www.avast.com/antivirus
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 8
> > Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 22:49:21 -0400
> > From: David Talbot <talbotdavid50 at gmail.com>
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Lowering the mast
> > Message-ID:
> > <CAJK53dKtzLmrP9WfjEW09KNEAfWoWWW3B9Gq=-MMjS8YZyEAdg at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >
> > Thanks very helpful all
> > Appreciate the time and feedback
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 10:39 PM, <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
> >
> >> David,
> >>
> >> Two persons can easily raise or lower the original non-IMF from the bow.
> >> There is no need for a mast crane.  It is really not that heavy and the
> >> second person is there for safety and when you need to change your grip
> at
> >> about 30 degrees from the horizontal.  The mast and genoa combo are
> easily
> >> supported by the bow pulpit.
> >>
> >> If you have the IMF mast, the weight is considerably greater.  The IMF
> rig
> >> is best raised or lowered from a mast crutch located in the stern.  The
> >> crutch helps to start raising or finish lowering at a point that is well
> >> above the horizontal (about 30 degrees).  The crutch reduces the effort
> >> required by the mast crane to start raising or finish lowering the mast
> >> assembly.  If the mast was perfectly horizontal it would be nearly
> >> impossible to use the crane.  Using a crane system requires a single
> >> individual, although a second is recommended for safety and in case
> lines
> >> or
> >> shrouds get caught during the process.
> >>
> >> I have raised and lowered the IMF rig without the benefit of a crane
> system
> >> with four strong guys and two six packs of beer.  Unfortunately, even
> >> increasing the beer ratio would not enable two persons to safely lower
> an
> >> IMF rig without a crane.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> >> Nissequogue River, NY
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> >> David
> >> Talbot
> >> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 5:33 PM
> >> To: Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Lowering the mast
> >>
> >> Any suggestions out there for a 2-person lowering?
> >> __________________________________________________
> >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >>
> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> go
> >> to
> >> http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >> __________________________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >> ---
> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
> >>
> >> __________________________________________________
> >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >>
> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> go
> >> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >> __________________________________________________
> >>
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 9
> > Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 05:29:51 -0700 (MST)
> > From: Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Gallons per hour
> > Message-ID: <1535200191509-0.post at n5.nabble.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >
> > A standard formula for an outboard is hp divided by ten or 8 hp divided
> by
> > equals .8 gallons per hour at 3/4 speed 5 kts.  Does this seem about
> right?
> > That would give a five gallon tank about 25 km plus.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----
> > Christopher P. Cowie
> >
> > 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
> > Suite 300
> > Washington, DC 20007
> > 202.342.2711 ex.204 ? 202.342.2691 fax ? 202.270.1470 mobile
> > [ccowie at cowieassociates.com]
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 10
> > Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 13:24:49 +0000
> > From: Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Gallons per hour
> > Message-ID:
> > <
> DM5PR18MB121258774458CDFD14BC335AD9350 at DM5PR18MB1212.namprd18.prod.outlook.com
> >
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Chris
> > This sentence makes no sense and how did you change to km at the end
> ?????
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > Charles
> >
> >> On Aug 25, 2018, at 7:29 AM, Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> A standard formula for an outboard is hp divided by ten or 8 hp divided
> by
> >> equals .8 gallons per hour at 3/4 speed 5 kts.  Does this seem about
> right?
> >> That would give a five gallon tank about 25 km plus.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----
> >> Christopher P. Cowie
> >>
> >> 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
> >> Suite 300
> >> Washington, DC 20007
> >> 202.342.2711 ex.204 ? 202.342.2691 fax ? 202.270.1470 mobile
> >> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com]
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> >> __________________________________________________
> >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >>
> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >> __________________________________________________
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 11
> > Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 13:47:32 +0000
> > From: Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Gallons per hour
> > Message-ID: <E161A1CC-87F6-47CA-990B-39B32A6B3C27 at cowieassociates.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Trying to type on a phone.  My basic question, does hp divided by ten
> provide and accurate estimate of gallons per hour.
> >
> >
> > Please note our new office address and phone number
> >
> > Christopher P. Cowie  [cid:image001.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]
> [cid:image002.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]
> >
> > 700 N Fairfax Street<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
> > Suite 304<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
> > Alexandria, Virginia 22314<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
> > 703.717.9103<tel:703.717.9103> ex.204 ? 202.270.1470<tel:202.270.1470>
> mobile
> > [ccowie at cowieassociates.com<mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>]
> >
> > [cid:image001.jpg at 01D24014.7A2D04E0]
> > Please consider the environment before printing this email.
> >
> >
> > On Aug 25, 2018, at 9:24 AM, Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com
> <mailto:blue66corvette at hotmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Chris
> > This sentence makes no sense and how did you change to km at the end
> ?????
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > Charles
> >
> > On Aug 25, 2018, at 7:29 AM, Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com
> <mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>> wrote:
> >
> > A standard formula for an outboard is hp divided by ten or 8 hp divided
> by
> > equals .8 gallons per hour at 3/4 speed 5 kts.  Does this seem about
> right?
> > That would give a five gallon tank about 25 km plus.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----
> > Christopher P. Cowie
> >
> > 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
> > Suite 300
> > Washington, DC 20007
> > 202.342.2711 ex.204 ? 202.342.2691 fax ? 202.270.1470 mobile
> > [ccowie at cowieassociates.com<mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>]
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> > __________________________________________________
> > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >
> > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> > __________________________________________________
> > __________________________________________________
> > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >
> > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> > __________________________________________________
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 12
> > Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 11:44:33 -0400
> > From: Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Gallons per hour
> > Message-ID:
> > <CABkv36bdGLRRSAb9fBovCup8JGgCvNJD0ABgXMbUtusrwpzmTg at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >
> > Hi Chris,
> >
> > I don't think so, especially with 4 stroke engines where the variables
> are
> > like that of car mileage.
> >
> > However, older 2 strokes are very predictable because they burn fuel at a
> > constant rate.  My older 9hp burns a gallon each hour whether idling or
> > pushing through 5 ft waves.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Rick
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 9:47 AM Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Trying to type on a phone.  My basic question, does hp divided by ten
> >> provide and accurate estimate of gallons per hour.
> >>
> >>
> >> Please note our new office address and phone number
> >>
> >> Christopher P. Cowie  [cid:image001.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]
> >>    [cid:image002.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]
> >>
> >> 700 N Fairfax Street<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
> >> Suite 304<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
> >> Alexandria, Virginia 22314<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
> >> 703.717.9103<tel:703.717.9103> ex.204 ? 202.270.1470<tel:202.270.1470>
> >> mobile
> >> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com<mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>]
> >>
> >> [cid:image001.jpg at 01D24014.7A2D04E0]
> >> Please consider the environment before printing this email.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Aug 25, 2018, at 9:24 AM, Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com
> >> <mailto:blue66corvette at hotmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Chris
> >> This sentence makes no sense and how did you change to km at the end
> ?????
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> Charles
> >>
> >> On Aug 25, 2018, at 7:29 AM, Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com
> >> <mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >> A standard formula for an outboard is hp divided by ten or 8 hp divided
> by
> >> equals .8 gallons per hour at 3/4 speed 5 kts.  Does this seem about
> right?
> >> That would give a five gallon tank about 25 km plus.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----
> >> Christopher P. Cowie
> >>
> >> 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
> >> Suite 300
> >> Washington, DC 20007
> >> 202.342.2711 ex.204 ? 202.342.2691 fax ? 202.270.1470 mobile
> >> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com<mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>]
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> >> __________________________________________________
> >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >>
> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> go
> >> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >> __________________________________________________
> >> __________________________________________________
> >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >>
> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> go
> >> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >> __________________________________________________
> >> __________________________________________________
> >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >>
> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> go
> >> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >> __________________________________________________
> >>
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 13
> > Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 12:11:06 -0400
> > From: Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com>
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Gallons per hour
> > Message-ID:
> > <CAOo_Fjdcwn8aKkfNrDELVRdX-JxG-ioGkWQgdyAJMv9nwPdRdQ at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >
> > Rick,
> >
> > I don?t understand. My 4 HP 2 stroke had a quart tank on the outboard. It
> > would run 2 hours @ 4.5 knots & 1 hour @ 5.5 knots. Since consumption
> has a
> > direct relationship to power output in any engine I don?t get how your 2
> > stroke consumes the same at all power settings. When flying I owned
> > aircraft with 108, 150 & 180 HP. They consumed 6, 8 & 10 gallons per hour
> > respectively  @ 70% cruise power.  Sorry Chris, I don?t know the formula
> > for computing consumption vs HP but the you can probably come up with one
> > from the above #?s.
> >
> > Stephen Staum
> > s/v Carol Lee 2
> > Needham, MA
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 11:45 AM Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Chris,
> >>
> >> I don't think so, especially with 4 stroke engines where the variables
> are
> >> like that of car mileage.
> >>
> >> However, older 2 strokes are very predictable because they burn fuel at
> a
> >> constant rate.  My older 9hp burns a gallon each hour whether idling or
> >> pushing through 5 ft waves.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Rick
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 9:47 AM Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Trying to type on a phone.  My basic question, does hp divided by ten
> >>> provide and accurate estimate of gallons per hour.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Please note our new office address and phone number
> >>>
> >>> Christopher P. Cowie  [cid:image001.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]
> >>>    [cid:image002.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]
> >>>
> >>> 700 N Fairfax Street<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
> >>> Suite 304
> >> <
> https://maps.google.com/?q=BD581F0%5D%0A%3E%0A%3E+700+N+Fairfax+Street+%0A%3E+Suite+304+%0A%3E+Alexandria,+Virginia+22314&entry=gmail&source=g
> >
> >> <x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
> >>> Alexandria, Virginia 22314
> >> <
> https://maps.google.com/?q=BD581F0%5D%0A%3E%0A%3E+700+N+Fairfax+Street+%0A%3E+Suite+304+%0A%3E+Alexandria,+Virginia+22314&entry=gmail&source=g
> >
> >> <x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
> >>> 703.717.9103<tel:703.717.9103> ex.204 ? 202.270.1470<tel:202.270.1470>
> >>> mobile
> >>> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com<mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>]
> >>>
> >>> [cid:image001.jpg at 01D24014.7A2D04E0]
> >>> Please consider the environment before printing this email.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Aug 25, 2018, at 9:24 AM, Charles Nieman <
> blue66corvette at hotmail.com
> >>> <mailto:blue66corvette at hotmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Chris
> >>> This sentence makes no sense and how did you change to km at the end
> >> ?????
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>> Charles
> >>>
> >>> On Aug 25, 2018, at 7:29 AM, Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com
> >>> <mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> A standard formula for an outboard is hp divided by ten or 8 hp divided
> >> by
> >>> equals .8 gallons per hour at 3/4 speed 5 kts.  Does this seem about
> >> right?
> >>> That would give a five gallon tank about 25 km plus.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----
> >>> Christopher P. Cowie
> >>>
> >>> 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
> >>> Suite 300
> >>> Washington, DC 20007
> >>> 202.342.2711 ex.204 ? 202.342.2691 fax ? 202.270.1470 mobile
> >>> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com<mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>]
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> >>> __________________________________________________
> >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> >>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >>>
> >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> go
> >>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >>> __________________________________________________
> >>> __________________________________________________
> >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> >>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >>>
> >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> go
> >>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >>> __________________________________________________
> >>> __________________________________________________
> >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> >>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >>>
> >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> go
> >>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >>> __________________________________________________
> >>>
> >> __________________________________________________
> >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >>
> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> go
> >> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >> __________________________________________________
> >>
>
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go
> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> __________________________________________________
>