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gjnovotny at comcast.net
Rubber gasket
2018-08-20; 11:26:21 EDT
Member Since
2013-11-13
Posts: 33
My bad, I guess I need my eyes checked again! Ha your right. Forget what I said GarySee the original archive post
On 8/20/2018 11:14 AM, Hank wrote: > Gary, > > Where do you see the centerboard? It looks like asphalt and the roller > from a trailer to me. > > Hank > > On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 11:10 AM Gary Novotny <gjnovotny at comcast.net> wrote: > >> Patrick, >> >> Your second picture looking down into the trunk shows what looks like >> the top of the centerboard that is missing fiberglass on the top. >> >> If I'm correct, you probably know this already, but just in case, you >> definitely want to re-glass and completely encapsulate the centerboard >> to prevent water intrusion and prevent unwanted expansion. >> >> This is probably why you doing this project in the first place but not >> knowing the full story I though I'd better state the obvious anyway. >> >> Gary >> >> >> On 8/20/2018 8:48 AM, Patrick Cheung wrote: >>> Graham, here’s the two pictures of the v block. Hope pictures will go >> through. >>> I placed the order for neoprene. >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>> Name: image1.jpeg >>> Type: image/jpeg >>> Size: 77567 bytes >>> Desc: not available >>> URL: < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20180820/496c528a/attachment.jpeg >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> >>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>> Name: image2.jpeg >>> Type: image/jpeg >>> Size: 76674 bytes >>> Desc: not available >>> URL: < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20180820/496c528a/attachment-0001.jpeg >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> >>> >>>> On Aug 19, 2018, at 10:57 AM, Curtis Ruck via Rhodes22-list < >> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: >>>> It is definitely closed cell, to my knowledge all neoprene is. I >> looked >>>> at the different thicknesses and soft/firm and ordered two actually, a >> 1/4" >>>> that was more firm, and the 3/16. When I got them, decided on the 3/16, >>>> because once compressed, its basically solid rubber, and the surface of >> my >>>> trunk was less than perfectly smooth, so i chose it based on >>>> compress-ability. >>>> >>>> I don't believe it leaks, but its never been in the water long enough to >>>> really tell. I'd wager it does, but without having a slip to keep it >> in, i >>>> have no real way to know. >>>> -- >>>> Curtis >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Sun, Aug 19, 2018 at 8:41 AM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> >> wrote: >>>>> The neoprene that Curtis found looks great but is referred to a >> "sponge" >>>>> neoprene. I expect that means it is softer than the usual stuff and >> might >>>>> make a better seal assuming that it is closed cell. Does anyone have a >> more >>>>> informed opinion than mine on this difference? >>>>> >>>>> Graham >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On >> Behalf >>>>> Of Curtis Ruck via Rhodes22-list >>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 7:26 PM >>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket >>>>> >>>>> I used this from Amazon: >>>>> >>>>> >> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003HDILE4/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1 >>>>> on my 1979. Seems to work, but mine is only in the water ~2-3 hours a >>>>> time, and there is always water in the bilge when I start sailing (I >>>>> believe due to the cockpit drains getting clogged, and the water >> making up >>>>> and in the cockpit storage, which drains through to the bilge. >>>>> -- >>>>> Curtis >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 6:40 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Just so that there is no confusion, I did make a neoprene gasket and >> it >>>>> is >>>>>> installed. It is 3/16 thick but has a fine ribbed pattern that I think >>>>> did >>>>>> not compress enough to make a perfect seal. It might also be too hard. >>>>> So I >>>>>> am only using the butyl to give the neoprene a smoother surface - not >>>>>> substituting the neoprene with the butyl. Nevertheless, I think I will >>>>>> replace the gasket when I can find a Canadian source. >>>>>> >>>>>> Another issue that might explain my difficulty getting a good seal is >>>>> that >>>>>> it looks to me like the flange on the cap might have been trimmed at >> some >>>>>> point. The lip is only about 1 1/4 inch wide and allows for only a >> single >>>>>> row of bolts. The base is quite a bit wider and appears to have had a >>>>>> second row of bolts at some point. It makes sense that both parts >> would >>>>> be >>>>>> the same width. >>>>>> >>>>>> I really don't want to take this apart again to replace the gasket and >>>>>> rebuild the cap. >>>>>> >>>>>> Graham >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On >>>>> Behalf >>>>>> Of Gary Novotny >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 2:40 PM >>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket >>>>>> >>>>>> Yep, totally agree that things bedded with urethane sealants are a >> bitch >>>>>> to remove. Only use this stuff as a last resort if you can’t find >> proper >>>>>> gasket material. Also I'd be sure the pendant and all blocks are in >>>>>> excellent condition. If not, definitely replace. The problem I see >> with >>>>>> Butyl for this application is that it has no adhesive properties , so >>>>>> you are counting on the cap to trunk compression to keep it sealed and >>>>>> it’s not resilient like a neoprene gasket. If the trunk is subject to >>>>>> any significant flexing at all then the compression seal could start >> to >>>>>> develop leaks. If I did use Butyl tape, I'd keep a close eye on it. >> One >>>>>> good thing is that Butyl tape would be VERY easy to replace. >>>>>> >>>>>> Gary >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 8/18/2018 12:55 PM, Graham Stewart wrote: >>>>>>> Like Gary I used butyl extensively as a bedding material for my >>>>> hardware >>>>>> and it is a dream to use compared to other sealants. The only place >> below >>>>>> the waterline where I used it was the centerboard cap and only then >>>>> because >>>>>> I was getting desperate to find a solution. Gary's cautionary note is >>>>> good >>>>>> reason to keep looking for the proper neoprene - something I will do >>>>>> if/when the butyl fails or I have to remove the cap for any other >> reason. >>>>>>> 4200 sealant is easier to remove than 5200, which is almost >> impossible >>>>>> without destroying the parts, but would still be extremely difficult >> - >>>>>> especially for such a large area. When I bought my boat a previous >> owner >>>>>> had used one of those high-adhesive sealants and I spent literally >> days >>>>>> getting the cap off using a torch to heat a large knife that I slowly >>>>> moved >>>>>> along the join. Even then I still broke the cap into two pieces and >> had >>>>> to >>>>>> make extensive repairs to the cap and the base. >>>>>>> I don't know if there is anything like butyl that has low adhesive >>>>>> characteristics and is still rated for below the waterline use. >>>>>>> For the time being the butyl is working but I will let the list know >> if >>>>>> it begins to fail - assuming the boat doesn't sink and take me with >> it. >>>>>>> Graham Stewart >>>>>>> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 >>>>>>> Kingston Ontario >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On >>>>>> Behalf Of Gary Novotny >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 9:38 AM >>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Guys, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I love Butyl tape, it's really great as a bedding compound. I >> completed >>>>>>> the first round of restoration on a boat (not my Rhodes) three months >>>>>>> ago and I used this stuff extensively for all the deck fittings and a >>>>>>> hatch. Butyl tape like all sealants needs a clean surface so use >> Remov >>>>>>> or DeBond first if the surface has prior sealant contamination. I >> can't >>>>>>> say enough good things about the ease of Butyl tape installation and >>>>>>> cleanup. All the leaking fittings are fixed now. It is too early for >> me >>>>>>> to report on longevity, but others have had very good results and >> when >>>>>>> you do need to re-bed its easy. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I wouldn't be comfortable using this below the waterline however. If >>>>> you >>>>>>> can't get neoprene sheet, you might be better off resorting to a >>>>>>> traditional moderately adhesive sealant like 3M 4200. (Do NOT use >> 5200) >>>>>>> Just my 2cents. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gary >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 8/17/2018 2:56 PM, Graham Stewart wrote: >>>>>>>> Patrick: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Glad to hear that there is another Rhodie in Canada. I thought Phil >>>>>> Gautier and I were the only ones. >>>>>>>> I replaced my gasket last year but was unable to find the proper >>>>>> neoprene. I finally got some neoprene from a neighbor but it wasn't >>>>> smooth >>>>>> surfaced so it leaked no matter how many bolts I added. I finally >> stopped >>>>>> the leaks by using butyl tape - not an ideal solution, but it worked >>>>> well. >>>>>> Butyl is an excellent sealant but has very low adhesive qualities so >> it >>>>>> should be easy to remove in the future should that be necessary. The >> tape >>>>>> is about 3/4" wide but I only used about half of that on both sides of >>>>> the >>>>>> gasket as I didn't want to have it squeeze into the centerboard slot. >> I >>>>>> would not use the butyl that comes in a tube. In fact only use the >> butyl >>>>> if >>>>>> you can't get the proper neoprene. >>>>>>>> Graham Stewart >>>>>>>> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 >>>>>>>> Kingston Ontario. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On >>>>>> Behalf Of Patrick Cheung >>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 2:11 PM >>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Gary, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I found the perfect one from Amazon but they won’t ship to Canada. >>>>>> Gonna keep looking. >>>>>>>> Thx, Patrick >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Aug 17, 2018, at 1:32 PM, Gary Novotny <gjnovotny at comcast.net> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Patrick, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> When I did my centerboard trunk maintenance four years ago I used >>>>>> neoprene sheet I bought off of Amazon. It seems to have worked well. >>>>>>>>> Gary >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Moon shadow 1978 R22 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 8/17/2018 11:50 AM, Patrick Cheung wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Dear Rhodies, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It is time to repair the center board. I reached out to Stan for a >>>>>> piece of >>>>>>>>>> the rubber but he is super busy right now. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I seems to recall some Rhodies may have extra rubber left over >> from >>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>> repair. I am hoping I can buy a stripe off you, if you are willing >>>>> to >>>>>> sell. >>>>>>>>>> Patrick >>>>>>>>>> Duck, '84 >>>>>>>>>> Lake Simcoe, Ontario, Canada >>>>>>>>>> __________________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >>>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>>>>>>>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and >>>>>> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>>>>>>>>> __________________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Gary Novotny >>>>>>>>> 7309 S Indian River Drive >>>>>>>>> Fort Pierce Florida 34982 >>>>>>>>> 772-4660956 home >>>>>>>>> 772-9715753 cell >>>>>>>>> gjnovotny at comcast.net >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> __________________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >>>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>>>>>>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and >>>>> archives >>>>>> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>>>>>>>> __________________________________________________ >>>>>>>> __________________________________________________ >>>>>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >>>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>>>>>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and >> archives >>>>>> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>>>>>>> __________________________________________________ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> __________________________________________________ >>>>>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >>>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>>>>>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and >> archives >>>>>> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>>>>>>> __________________________________________________ >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Gary Novotny >>>>>> 7309 S Indian River Drive >>>>>> Fort Pierce Florida 34982 >>>>>> 772-4660956 home >>>>>> 772-9715753 cell >>>>>> gjnovotny at comcast.net >>>>>> >>>>>> __________________________________________________ >>>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >>>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>>>>> >>>>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and >> archives go >>>>>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>>>>> __________________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> __________________________________________________ >>>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >>>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>>>>> >>>>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and >> archives go >>>>>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>>>>> __________________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>> __________________________________________________ >>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>>>> >>>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives >> go >>>>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>>>> __________________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> >>>> __________________________________________________ >>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives >> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>>> __________________________________________________ >>> __________________________________________________ >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives >> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>> __________________________________________________ >> -- >> Gary Novotny >> 7309 S Indian River Drive >> Fort Pierce Florida 34982 >> 772-4660956 home >> 772-9715753 cell >> gjnovotny at comcast.net >> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go >> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ -- Gary Novotny 7309 S Indian River Drive Fort Pierce Florida 34982 772-4660956 home 772-9715753 cell gjnovotny at comcast.net
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