You all have been super helpful in processing this difficult discovery. If it makes us all feel better I only paid $1,800 for this great boat needing some work.  So, I'm looking forward to getting to the bottom of this issue and am optimistic the boat is not dead yet.

For those of you who have had similar issues with sagging and post additions, did any of you find that there wasn't much rot in the deck, but that it was mostly over tensioning the shrouds?

Matt

On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 6:37 PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Roger.  That makes sense.  My Boatworks guy is coming to look at it
> on Saturday and I will report back.
>
> David, I hope you recover quickly from the Crud.  DO reach out when you're
> better.  I would love to meet you in person.  Ironically, I spotted youy
> boat yesterday on Lake Nokomis.  I was on my way to the airport with some
> time to kill.  Looks beautiful!
>
> Matt
>
> On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 4:31 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Matt,
>>
>> The stringers that support the cabin sole are not strong enough to
>> support the load from the mast.  That’s in addition to the weight of the
>> crew.  I don’t recommend what you are proposing.
>>
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>> 1978. Sanford, MI
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Jun 27, 2024, at 12:05 PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I have been perusing the archives about this and not finding pictures
>> or
>> > links that aren't expired or broken somehow.  If anyone can post pics of
>> > how they tied into the hull/keel below and the cabin ceiling under the
>> mast
>> > that would be super helpful.
>> >
>> > I am wondering if using the cabin sole for a temporary fix is imprudent,
>> > thoughts?  If I shim several places underneath it to spread the load?
>> >
>> >> On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 10:45 AM Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I've just gotten some time to catch up and review the photos in detail.
>> >> I'm not familiar with the 'swell head'. First time I've even heard the
>> term
>> >> in reference to the Rhodes.  But I agree with Peter's third point, the
>> >> compression post looks to be well forward of the mast.  A look at the
>> mast
>> >> in relation to the port and the compression post in relation to the
>> same
>> >> port shows several inches of offset and as Peter suggests, unless that
>> load
>> >> can be transferred by the decking, it's going to distort.  Just my 2
>> cents.
>> >>
>> >> Rob
>> >> ________________________________
>> >> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
>> >> Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
>> >> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2024 9:08 AM
>> >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mast step issues?
>> >>
>> >> I've just gone back through this whole thread to try to make sense of
>> it.
>> >> I've reached some conclusions:
>> >>
>> >> 1) There obviously _is_ a compression post.
>> >>
>> >> 2) This boat is configured with the fully enclosed 'swell head'.
>> >>
>> >> 3) Based on pictures and the attached 'floor plan', it seems that the
>> >> compression post in a 'swell head' layout is well forward of the of the
>> >> position it occupies in the 'standard' layout. Perhaps someone else
>> with a
>> >> 'swell head' layout can confirm.
>> >>
>> >> 4) This also puts the compression post well forward of the mast (way
>> too
>> >> far forward for my liking).
>> >>
>> >> 5) In general, it seems that this arrangement works anyway, but is
>> clearly
>> >> failing on Matt's boat.
>> >>
>> >> 6) But, in order for this to work, the deck needs to be very strong in
>> >> order for it to 'carry' the load from where the mast is to where the
>> >> compression post is.
>> >>
>> >> 7) Matt's deck isn't doing the job.
>> >>
>> >> So, my guess is there's rot in the deck. Otherwise, it wouldn't bend
>> like
>> >> that. The possibility that there's also rot under the cabin floor
>> should
>> >> obviously be considered as well.
>> >>
>> >> I have doubts that any reasonable repair could restore the full
>> original
>> >> strength of the deck.  Therefor, I think it likely that another
>> compression
>> >> post more directly under the mast will need to added. (But the deck
>> should
>> >> be fixed too.)
>> >>
>> >> That's my best guess, anyway.
>> >>
>> >> Peter Nyberg
>> >> Coventry, CT
>> >> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
>> >>
>> >>>> On 2024-06-27, at 08:03:19 EDT, Matt Wilson wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> So you do not see a compression post?   Someone probably removed it?
>> >>>
>> >>> Matt
>> >>>
>> >>>
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