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Matt Wilson
Mast step issues?
2024-06-27; 08:03:19 EDT
Member Since
2021-05-21
Posts: 105
So you do not see a compression post? Someone probably removed it? MattSee the original archive post
On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 6:31 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote: > Hi Ed, > > Tension in all of the standing rigging, including the outer shrouds, cause > the mast to be in compression. Check out my rig tuning procedure in the > archives. A portion of the wind loading on the sails also gets turned into > mast compression. In order to achieve the proper sail shape and prevent > the mast from shifting around (pumping) under certain conditions of wind, > waves, and point of sail; all the standing rigging has to be pretty tight. > I'm sure this "correct" level of shroud tension would be more than enough > to cause the damage you are observing without a mast compression post. > You've got a serious problem here, I would not sail the boat like this. I > would immediately unstep the mast, fix whatever damage you find in the > cabin roof, and get a compression post in there. This one is a safety > issue. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > 1978 Sanford, MI > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of > Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2024 10:36 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mast step issues? > > Last question, Do you think that this could have been caused by > outer shrouds being too tight? > > Sorry for the scattered nature of this thread. I didn't see an option for > picture file size on my phone when I attached them. > > On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 9:32 PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > Here is the gap below the aft corner of the hatch next to the tabernacle. > > Obviously sagging. > > > > The boat was stored outside significantly before I owned it. I was a > > newbie and didn’t notice this before. > > > > Obviously, it needs to be short up. If I were to put a block on the cabin > > soul just outside the head, could I put in a temporary post to get > through > > the sailing season? If I shim it in there really solid? Do you think that > > would be a solid enough to be safe temporarily? What would you recommend > as > > the long-term fix, hopefully this is clearer having seen all of these > > pictures. Thank you so much for your help guys! > > > > On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 9:31 PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > >> here are the cracks at the front corners of the tabernacle/step looking > >> aft > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 9:30 PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Here is a picture of the same area from the side. You can see the sag > >>> in the ceiling below the mast > >>> > >>> > >>> On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 9:29 PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> The files are too big so I will send them separately. Sorry about that > >>>> Here is a picture looking forward. The ceiling below base of the mast > >>>> is about 1/2” lower than the top of the “post”. Like the mast is > tipping > >>>> backwards > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 5:46 PM Ed McNamara <edmc18 at gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> I recently discovered a small crack below my mast step of my ‘88. > When > >>>>> I > >>>>> cut into the step I found significant rot of the underlying plywood. > >>>>> I ended up cutting out all of the plywood under the raised step (I > >>>>> think > >>>>> it’s something like 8” wide by 11” long). > >>>>> I used a combination of marine grade plywood and West System 2 part > >>>>> epoxy > >>>>> to repair it. I saw, in my case, no evidence of sagging above or > >>>>> below. I > >>>>> have the athwart-ships bulkhead separating the main cabin from the > >>>>> head and > >>>>> bow. It appeared to me that the edge of that bulkhead was a > compression > >>>>> post. Photos show the cleaned out area and then the area filled in > but > >>>>> not > >>>>> yet pointed. A few months of sailing later…So far, so good. > >>>>> > >>>>> Ed McNamara > >>>>> s/v Scholar 88/01 > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 4:06 PM Graham Stewart < > gstewart.gm at gmail.com> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > If you have a post after all- even if it is off center slightly > then > >>>>> I > >>>>> > would be checking out what is below the post to make sure it is > >>>>> solid right > >>>>> > down to the hull. > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > Graham Stewart > >>>>> > Rhodes 22 > >>>>> > Agile, 1976 > >>>>> > ________________________________ > >>>>> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf > >>>>> of > >>>>> > Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> > >>>>> > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2024 12:50 PM > >>>>> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>; peter > >>>>> > beckerman <recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com> > >>>>> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mast step issues? > >>>>> > > >>>>> > Just to clarify, this picture looks like mine and the post you > >>>>> referenced > >>>>> > is not directly h set the mast. So if that is the normal set up > and > >>>>> my > >>>>> > cabin roof is slightly sagging, what could be the cause and what > >>>>> should I > >>>>> > do to remedy this? I like the idea of a curtain for the head > >>>>> because the > >>>>> > door is in the way. Perhaps adding an additional post would fix the > >>>>> > problem? > >>>>> > > >>>>> > Many thanks all, > >>>>> > Matt > >>>>> > > >>>>> > On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 11:00 AM Matt Wilson < > mwhornblower at gmail.com > >>>>> > > >>>>> > wrote: > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > But that is not directly under the mast is it? > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 10:26 AM peter beckerman via > Rhodes22-list > >>>>> < > >>>>> > > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > >> The arrow points to the compression post on the attached pic of > >>>>> cabin > >>>>> > >> with "swell head" > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> Peter > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ] > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >>>>> > >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>>>> > >> Name: Polish_20240626_112420104.jpg > >>>>> > >> Type: image/jpeg > >>>>> > >> Size: 184529 bytes > >>>>> > >> Desc: not available > >>>>> > >> URL: < > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> > > 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