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Talbot Pratt
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2024-03-14; 13:09:23 EDT
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Here is the listing https://www.boattrader.com/boat/2008-rhodes-rhodes-22-9299413/ Talbot Pratt 978 994 0704 Long Branch NJSee the original archive post
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Re: Water in the Cabin (Reuben Mezrich) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2024 13:09:50 -0500 > From: Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com> > To: Donald Simons <borderfolle at yahoo.com>, The Rhodes 22 Email List > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin > Message-ID: <a3d9eada-4ed9-433e-a684-4cdcb134d0e4 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" > > When I bought my 1876 boat in about 1995, the previous owner had added a > plank to the trailer that supported the keel. I continued with that, as > it seemed to make sense, but discovered a few years later that I had a > massive crack in the bottom of the keel that completely encircled the > centerboard slot. You could only see it when directly under the keel > without the plank in place. > > Fixing the crack was a massive job. I first had to build a huge lift so > that I could suspend the boat high enough to work under it. Because of > the crack, water had penetrated the keel and hollowed out the material > that was inside. Glassing the bottom was a problem as the cloth > thickness narrowed the slot such that the centerboard would not fit. > Ultimately I had to drill holes down into the keel from inside the cabin > into which I poured 3 gallons of resin. I also injected resin through > the sides of the keel into voids that I found by soundings. > > Believe me, this is a repair that you want to avoid. > > > Graham Stewart > > Agile 1976 > > On 1/28/2024 12:38 PM, Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list wrote: > > I've looked through the documentation on our boat and can't find the > information you are interested in.? I believe there has been a previous > discussion of this topic on the list.? Perhaps you can find what you are > looking for there. > > Owners who have a trailer can see that the boat is supported on the > bunks, not on the keel. > > Don Simons,? ? Old Forge, NY > > On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 09:38:13 AM EST, Reuben Mezrich< > reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Is there any documentation that I can bring to the boatyard....I > suspect > > they won't believe it > > --Reuben > > Reuben Mezrich > > cell: 410-499-8922 > > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston > > > > > > On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 6:58?AM Hank<hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> On a normal boat, yes, but not on a Rhodes 22. The keel is not strong > >> enough to support the weight of the boat. This comes straight from Stan. > >> > >> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 6:13?AM Reuben Mezrich<reuben.mezrich at gmail.com > > > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Don > >>> I was taught just the opposite...and > >>> From Practical Sailor > >>> "Most of the weight should be on wooden blocks, with the stands serving > >>> only for balance. Additionally, substantial weight on the keel prevents > >>> shifting of the keel in a beam wind. According to ABYC, there should be > >> at > >>> least two blocking points; a single blocking point can allow the boat > to > >>> rock fore and aft.Feb 25, 2019" > >>> > >>> Reuben Mezrich > >>> cell: 410-499-8922 > >>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston > >>> > >>> > >>> On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 6:11?PM Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list < > >>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > >>> > >>>> ? Reuben,? Although there are blocks under the keel, I understand > that > >> the > >>>> weight of the boat needs to be on the jack stands. > >>>> Don SimonsOld Forge, NY > >>>> ? ? On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 01:35:24 PM EST, Reuben Mezrich > < > >>>> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> ? So my boat finally got hauled (Holidays got in the way) and I'm now > >> able > >>>> to > >>>> see the keel. As seen in the image about 2 inches of the aft portion > >> hang > >>>> down below the fixed portion of the keel....is this normal > >>>> [image: image.png] > >>>> Reuben Mezrich > >>>> cell: 410-499-8922 > >>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 6:49?PM Reuben Mezrich < > >> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Mike > >>>>> Great point but.... > >>>>> The same argument would be obtained with tasting the water. I'm not > >>> sure, > >>>>> given your argument, how you could ever determine the source of the > >>> water > >>>>> in the bilge > >>>>> I"ve had the boat 3 years now and never had even a drop of water in > >> the > >>>>> bilge. > >>>>> We had torrential rains this weekend and no new water collected in > >> the > >>>>> bilge. > >>>>> Its a puzzle > >>>>> --Reuben > >>>>> > >>>>> Reuben Mezrich > >>>>> cell: 410-499-8922 > >>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 4:34?PM Michael D. Weisner < > >>> mweisner at ebsmed.com> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Hi Reuben, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Testing the bilge for the presence of salt using a salinity meter > >>>> sounded > >>>>>> great until I thought about it a bit more. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> If salt water had ever been in the bilge, there would be salt left > >>> after > >>>>>> evaporation of the water. When a new source of water filled the > >> bilge, > >>>> the > >>>>>> dried salt would contaminate the water, making it appear to have > >> come > >>>> from > >>>>>> a leak below the waterline. This could explain why the salinity was > >>>> greater > >>>>>> than that of the body of water within which the boat floats. The > >>>> salinity > >>>>>> test may not have ruled out rain water intrusion. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Mike > >>>>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91) > >>>>>> Nissequogue River, NY > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list<rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf > >> Of > >>>>>> Reuben Mezrich > >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2023 11:48 AM > >>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Ric > >>>>>> I?m liking your sabotage theory more and more (I did win some races > >>> last > >>>>>> week). I measured the salinity and its seawater and besides we had > >>>>>> torrential rain this weekend and no additional water came in. > >>>>>> It?s time to remove that step and look at the center board trunk > >> more > >>>>>> carefully Reuben Mezrich > >>>>>> Cell:410-499-8922 > >>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay in Boston > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2023, at 11:29?AM, Ric Stott < > >> ric at stottarchitecture.com> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> ?FRUSTRATING, RIGHT? > >>>>>>> I?m thinking rain water or sabotage. > >>>>>>> I?m having trouble with the idea that the? cap could leak that > >> much > >>> - > >>>>>> and then not leak at all. > >>>>>>> Attached are photos of what happens when too much pressure is put > >> on > >>>>>> the centerboard cap. > >>>>>>> When i inherited my ?84 rhodes, it had? a crack in the cap right > >>> above > >>>>>> the pivot pin. > >>>>>>> Obviously from the CB hitting the cap from the underside. > >>>>>>> It leaked a little - about a quart or two per day. > >>>>>>> I simply fiberglassed the crack and the leak stopped In the fall > >> of > >>>>>>> 2019, I retrieved the boat onto the trailer and it was initially > >> too > >>>>>> far back so I relaunched to move it forward. > >>>>>>> I did not realize that a helper had released the CB pendant line > >> so > >>> it > >>>>>> was free to drop as the boat came off the trailer. > >>>>>>> Always check to be sure you CB? is locked in the up position > >> before > >>>>>> launch -especially with the old style blade CB like mine. > >>>>>>> As the boat slid into into the water, I heard an odd crunching > >> sound > >>>> as > >>>>>> the boat first lifted then dropped again. > >>>>>>> I did get the boat forward on the trailer and pulled it out > >> before I > >>>>>> realized what happened. > >>>>>>> Once on the pavement, I noticed a huge amount of water drain from > >>> the > >>>>>> CB - scratching my head, I looked inside and nearly had a heart > >>> attack. > >>>>>>> The photos explains what happed. > >>>>>>> It took me all winter to fix it. > >>>>>>> The CB and rudder are the two most vulnerable parts on a Rhodes > >> 22. > >>>>>>> Understand and Respect the way they work and always be careful > >> when > >>>>>> launching and when backing up in shallow water. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP > >>>>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com > >>>>>>> O -631-283-1777 > >>>>>>> C- 516-965-3164 > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2023, at 10:37 AM, Peter Nyberg < > >> peter at sunnybeeches.com > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> Reuben, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> That doesn't sound like a crazy idea to me... > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Peter Nyberg > >>>>>>>> Coventry, CT > >>>>>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On 2023-12-20, at 08:56:56 EST, Reuben Mezrich wrote: > >>>>>>>>> In casting about for possible causes of the rather large (~2ft, > >> to > >>>>>>>>> the top of the settee) flood into my boat I started wondering > >>> about > >>>>>>>>> the swing keel...in particular, what happens when the boat lies > >> on > >>>>>>>>> the ground? The day of my flood had a particularly low tide, in > >>> part > >>>>>>>>> because of winds pushing water out of the bay. I suspect my boat > >>>>>>>>> spent some time lying on the mud at the bottom of my slip and > >> I'm > >>>>>>>>> wondering if that might have pushed the swing keel up into the > >> top > >>>>>>>>> of the centerboard trunk, possibly flexing it and causing a > >> leak. > >>>>>>>>> Given the 50 or so screws that hold the top down that is > >> unlikely > >>>>>>>>> but..... The boat is floating now and I can't find a leak (thru > >>>>>>>>> hulls are OK and I don't see water on top of the centerboard > >>> trunk). > >>>>>> ...so I"m grasping at straws. > >>>>>>>>> --Reuben > >>>>>>>>> Reuben Mezrich > >>>>>>>>> cell: 410-499-8922 > >>>>>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > >>>>>>> scrubbed... > >>>>>>> Name: IMG_2667.jpeg > >>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg > >>>>>>> Size: 106876 bytes > >>>>>>> Desc: not available > >>>>>>> URL: > >>>>>>> < > >>>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20231220/6230 > >>>>>>> dca0/attachment.jpeg> > >>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > >>>>>>> scrubbed... > >>>>>>> Name: IMG_2665.jpeg > >>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg > >>>>>>> Size: 144731 bytes > >>>>>>> Desc: not available > >>>>>>> URL: < > >> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20231220/6230dca0/attachment-0001.jpeg > >>>>>> > >>>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>>> Name: image.png > >>>> Type: image/png > >>>> Size: 305494 bytes > >>>> Desc: not available > >>>> URL: < > >>>> > >> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20240127/dcacb660/attachment.png > >>>> > > > -- > Graham Stewart gstewart.gm at gmail.com > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2024 17:50:18 +0000 (UTC) > From: "sea20 at verizon.net" <sea20 at verizon.net> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] cockpit sole > Message-ID: <494611696.1833045.1706723418741 at mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Greetings all, I have been noticing the cockpit floor on our Rhodes22 > getting softer each year. This year I kept the boat outside and during a > hard freeze I knew it was time. I read roger's e-mail from 2001 and it made > the job sound very doable. Has anyone else had experience with stringer and > foam replacement in the cockpit? > Scott Andrews > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2024 20:45:38 -0500 > From: Scott Andrews <sea20 at verizon.net> > To: Key West shop email <lockshop at keywestlockandsafe.com> > Cc: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cockpit sole > Message-ID: <7BAAE32C-B0D7-44FD-B9EF-16FA8A213BFC at verizon.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2024 09:29:49 -0500 > From: Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin > Message-ID: > <CAHrO9mtnhH8F8HFqHBPPRAV023g30M9K9BnKmOUjf= > rPmczAhg at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Turns out the lithium battery (4kwh) and charger that was located under the > aft portion of the V-berth was partially submerged and the dealer (Mastry) > has determined that both were ruined and have to be replaced. the cost of > that is ~$3,000 which is substantially more than an 8 or 9hp Tohatsu > outboard with electric start would be So...i think its time for me to give > up on electric outboards and go with a conventional gas outboard. > My question is what size shaft do I want....15" or 20" > > Reuben Mezrich > cell: 410-499-8922 > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston > > > On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 1:09?PM Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com> > wrote: > > > When I bought my 1876 boat in about 1995, the previous owner had added a > > plank to the trailer that supported the keel. I continued with that, as > > it seemed to make sense, but discovered a few years later that I had a > > massive crack in the bottom of the keel that completely encircled the > > centerboard slot. You could only see it when directly under the keel > > without the plank in place. > > > > Fixing the crack was a massive job. I first had to build a huge lift so > > that I could suspend the boat high enough to work under it. Because of > > the crack, water had penetrated the keel and hollowed out the material > > that was inside. Glassing the bottom was a problem as the cloth > > thickness narrowed the slot such that the centerboard would not fit. > > Ultimately I had to drill holes down into the keel from inside the cabin > > into which I poured 3 gallons of resin. I also injected resin through > > the sides of the keel into voids that I found by soundings. > > > > Believe me, this is a repair that you want to avoid. > > > > > > Graham Stewart > > > > Agile 1976 > > > > On 1/28/2024 12:38 PM, Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list wrote: > > > I've looked through the documentation on our boat and can't find the > > information you are interested in. I believe there has been a previous > > discussion of this topic on the list. Perhaps you can find what you are > > looking for there. > > > Owners who have a trailer can see that the boat is supported on the > > bunks, not on the keel. > > > Don Simons, Old Forge, NY > > > On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 09:38:13 AM EST, Reuben Mezrich< > > reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Is there any documentation that I can bring to the boatyard....I > > suspect > > > they won't believe it > > > --Reuben > > > Reuben Mezrich > > > cell: 410-499-8922 > > > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 6:58?AM Hank<hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >> On a normal boat, yes, but not on a Rhodes 22. The keel is not strong > > >> enough to support the weight of the boat. This comes straight from > Stan. > > >> > > >> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 6:13?AM Reuben Mezrich< > reuben.mezrich at gmail.com > > > > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >>> Don > > >>> I was taught just the opposite...and > > >>> From Practical Sailor > > >>> "Most of the weight should be on wooden blocks, with the stands > serving > > >>> only for balance. Additionally, substantial weight on the keel > prevents > > >>> shifting of the keel in a beam wind. According to ABYC, there should > be > > >> at > > >>> least two blocking points; a single blocking point can allow the boat > > to > > >>> rock fore and aft.Feb 25, 2019" > > >>> > > >>> Reuben Mezrich > > >>> cell: 410-499-8922 > > >>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 6:11?PM Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list < > > >>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> Reuben, Although there are blocks under the keel, I understand > > that > > >> the > > >>>> weight of the boat needs to be on the jack stands. > > >>>> Don SimonsOld Forge, NY > > >>>> On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 01:35:24 PM EST, Reuben > Mezrich > > < > > >>>> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> So my boat finally got hauled (Holidays got in the way) and I'm > now > > >> able > > >>>> to > > >>>> see the keel. As seen in the image about 2 inches of the aft portion > > >> hang > > >>>> down below the fixed portion of the keel....is this normal > > >>>> [image: image.png] > > >>>> Reuben Mezrich > > >>>> cell: 410-499-8922 > > >>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 6:49?PM Reuben Mezrich < > > >> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com > > >>>> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> Mike > > >>>>> Great point but.... > > >>>>> The same argument would be obtained with tasting the water. I'm not > > >>> sure, > > >>>>> given your argument, how you could ever determine the source of the > > >>> water > > >>>>> in the bilge > > >>>>> I"ve had the boat 3 years now and never had even a drop of water in > > >> the > > >>>>> bilge. > > >>>>> We had torrential rains this weekend and no new water collected in > > >> the > > >>>>> bilge. > > >>>>> Its a puzzle > > >>>>> --Reuben > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Reuben Mezrich > > >>>>> cell: 410-499-8922 > > >>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 4:34?PM Michael D. Weisner < > > >>> mweisner at ebsmed.com> > > >>>>> wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> Hi Reuben, > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Testing the bilge for the presence of salt using a salinity meter > > >>>> sounded > > >>>>>> great until I thought about it a bit more. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> If salt water had ever been in the bilge, there would be salt left > > >>> after > > >>>>>> evaporation of the water. When a new source of water filled the > > >> bilge, > > >>>> the > > >>>>>> dried salt would contaminate the water, making it appear to have > > >> come > > >>>> from > > >>>>>> a leak below the waterline. This could explain why the salinity > was > > >>>> greater > > >>>>>> than that of the body of water within which the boat floats. The > > >>>> salinity > > >>>>>> test may not have ruled out rain water intrusion. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Mike > > >>>>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91) > > >>>>>> Nissequogue River, NY > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> -----Original Message----- > > >>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list<rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On > Behalf > > >> Of > > >>>>>> Reuben Mezrich > > >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2023 11:48 AM > > >>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> > > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Ric > > >>>>>> I?m liking your sabotage theory more and more (I did win some > races > > >>> last > > >>>>>> week). I measured the salinity and its seawater and besides we had > > >>>>>> torrential rain this weekend and no additional water came in. > > >>>>>> It?s time to remove that step and look at the center board trunk > > >> more > > >>>>>> carefully Reuben Mezrich > > >>>>>> Cell:410-499-8922 > > >>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay in Boston > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2023, at 11:29?AM, Ric Stott < > > >> ric at stottarchitecture.com> > > >>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>> ?FRUSTRATING, RIGHT? > > >>>>>>> I?m thinking rain water or sabotage. > > >>>>>>> I?m having trouble with the idea that the cap could leak that > > >> much > > >>> - > > >>>>>> and then not leak at all. > > >>>>>>> Attached are photos of what happens when too much pressure is put > > >> on > > >>>>>> the centerboard cap. > > >>>>>>> When i inherited my ?84 rhodes, it had a crack in the cap right > > >>> above > > >>>>>> the pivot pin. > > >>>>>>> Obviously from the CB hitting the cap from the underside. > > >>>>>>> It leaked a little - about a quart or two per day. > > >>>>>>> I simply fiberglassed the crack and the leak stopped In the fall > > >> of > > >>>>>>> 2019, I retrieved the boat onto the trailer and it was initially > > >> too > > >>>>>> far back so I relaunched to move it forward. > > >>>>>>> I did not realize that a helper had released the CB pendant line > > >> so > > >>> it > > >>>>>> was free to drop as the boat came off the trailer. > > >>>>>>> Always check to be sure you CB is locked in the up position > > >> before > > >>>>>> launch -especially with the old style blade CB like mine. > > >>>>>>> As the boat slid into into the water, I heard an odd crunching > > >> sound > > >>>> as > > >>>>>> the boat first lifted then dropped again. > > >>>>>>> I did get the boat forward on the trailer and pulled it out > > >> before I > > >>>>>> realized what happened. > > >>>>>>> Once on the pavement, I noticed a huge amount of water drain from > > >>> the > > >>>>>> CB - scratching my head, I looked inside and nearly had a heart > > >>> attack. > > >>>>>>> The photos explains what happed. > > >>>>>>> It took me all winter to fix it. > > >>>>>>> The CB and rudder are the two most vulnerable parts on a Rhodes > > >> 22. > > >>>>>>> Understand and Respect the way they work and always be careful > > >> when > > >>>>>> launching and when backing up in shallow water. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP > > >>>>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com > > >>>>>>> O -631-283-1777 > > >>>>>>> C- 516-965-3164 > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2023, at 10:37 AM, Peter Nyberg < > > >> peter at sunnybeeches.com > > >>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>> Reuben, > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> That doesn't sound like a crazy idea to me... > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Peter Nyberg > > >>>>>>>> Coventry, CT > > >>>>>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> On 2023-12-20, at 08:56:56 EST, Reuben Mezrich wrote: > > >>>>>>>>> In casting about for possible causes of the rather large (~2ft, > > >> to > > >>>>>>>>> the top of the settee) flood into my boat I started wondering > > >>> about > > >>>>>>>>> the swing keel...in particular, what happens when the boat lies > > >> on > > >>>>>>>>> the ground? The day of my flood had a particularly low tide, in > > >>> part > > >>>>>>>>> because of winds pushing water out of the bay. I suspect my > boat > > >>>>>>>>> spent some time lying on the mud at the bottom of my slip and > > >> I'm > > >>>>>>>>> wondering if that might have pushed the swing keel up into the > > >> top > > >>>>>>>>> of the centerboard trunk, possibly flexing it and causing a > > >> leak. > > >>>>>>>>> Given the 50 or so screws that hold the top down that is > > >> unlikely > > >>>>>>>>> but..... The boat is floating now and I can't find a leak (thru > > >>>>>>>>> hulls are OK and I don't see water on top of the centerboard > > >>> trunk). > > >>>>>> ...so I"m grasping at straws. > > >>>>>>>>> --Reuben > > >>>>>>>>> Reuben Mezrich > > >>>>>>>>> cell: 410-499-8922 > > >>>>>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > > >>>>>>> scrubbed... > > >>>>>>> Name: IMG_2667.jpeg > > >>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg > > >>>>>>> Size: 106876 bytes > > >>>>>>> Desc: not available > > >>>>>>> URL: > > >>>>>>> < > > >>>> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20231220/6230 > > >>>>>>> dca0/attachment.jpeg> > > >>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > > >>>>>>> scrubbed... > > >>>>>>> Name: IMG_2665.jpeg > > >>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg > > >>>>>>> Size: 144731 bytes > > >>>>>>> Desc: not available > > >>>>>>> URL: < > > >> > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20231220/6230dca0/attachment-0001.jpeg > > >>>>>> > > >>>> -------------- next part -------------- > > >>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > >>>> Name: image.png > > >>>> Type: image/png > > >>>> Size: 305494 bytes > > >>>> Desc: not available > > >>>> URL: < > > >>>> > > >> > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20240127/dcacb660/attachment.png > > >>>> > > > > > -- > > Graham Stewart gstewart.gm at gmail.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2024 15:32:40 -0500 > From: Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin > Message-ID: > <CACdaeT7imR= > fu0Hg7sPN0Qu3V3iyQb5CJckVx1M72jYf_-JwCg at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > 20?. > > Graham Stewart > gstewart.gm at gmail.com > > > On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 9:30 AM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Turns out the lithium battery (4kwh) and charger that was located under > the > > aft portion of the V-berth was partially submerged and the dealer > (Mastry) > > has determined that both were ruined and have to be replaced. the cost of > > that is ~$3,000 which is substantially more than an 8 or 9hp Tohatsu > > outboard with electric start would be So...i think its time for me to > give > > up on electric outboards and go with a conventional gas outboard. > > My question is what size shaft do I want....15" or 20" > > > > Reuben Mezrich > > cell: 410-499-8922 > > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston > > > > > > On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 1:09?PM Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > When I bought my 1876 boat in about 1995, the previous owner had added > a > > > plank to the trailer that supported the keel. I continued with that, as > > > it seemed to make sense, but discovered a few years later that I had a > > > massive crack in the bottom of the keel that completely encircled the > > > centerboard slot. You could only see it when directly under the keel > > > without the plank in place. > > > > > > Fixing the crack was a massive job. I first had to build a huge lift so > > > that I could suspend the boat high enough to work under it. Because of > > > the crack, water had penetrated the keel and hollowed out the material > > > that was inside. Glassing the bottom was a problem as the cloth > > > thickness narrowed the slot such that the centerboard would not fit. > > > Ultimately I had to drill holes down into the keel from inside the > cabin > > > into which I poured 3 gallons of resin. I also injected resin through > > > the sides of the keel into voids that I found by soundings. > > > > > > Believe me, this is a repair that you want to avoid. > > > > > > > > > Graham Stewart > > > > > > Agile 1976 > > > > > > On 1/28/2024 12:38 PM, Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list wrote: > > > > I've looked through the documentation on our boat and can't find > the > > > information you are interested in. I believe there has been a previous > > > discussion of this topic on the list. Perhaps you can find what you > are > > > looking for there. > > > > Owners who have a trailer can see that the boat is supported on the > > > bunks, not on the keel. > > > > Don Simons, Old Forge, NY > > > > On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 09:38:13 AM EST, Reuben Mezrich< > > > reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Is there any documentation that I can bring to the boatyard....I > > > suspect > > > > they won't believe it > > > > --Reuben > > > > Reuben Mezrich > > > > cell: 410-499-8922 > > > > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 6:58?AM Hank<hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > >> On a normal boat, yes, but not on a Rhodes 22. The keel is not > strong > > > >> enough to support the weight of the boat. This comes straight from > > Stan. > > > >> > > > >> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 6:13?AM Reuben Mezrich< > > reuben.mezrich at gmail.com > > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> Don > > > >>> I was taught just the opposite...and > > > >>> From Practical Sailor > > > >>> "Most of the weight should be on wooden blocks, with the stands > > serving > > > >>> only for balance. Additionally, substantial weight on the keel > > prevents > > > >>> shifting of the keel in a beam wind. According to ABYC, there > should > > be > > > >> at > > > >>> least two blocking points; a single blocking point can allow the > boat > > > to > > > >>> rock fore and aft.Feb 25, 2019" > > > >>> > > > >>> Reuben Mezrich > > > >>> cell: 410-499-8922 > > > >>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 6:11?PM Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list < > > > >>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>>> Reuben, Although there are blocks under the keel, I understand > > > that > > > >> the > > > >>>> weight of the boat needs to be on the jack stands. > > > >>>> Don SimonsOld Forge, NY > > > >>>> On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 01:35:24 PM EST, Reuben > > Mezrich > > > < > > > >>>> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>> So my boat finally got hauled (Holidays got in the way) and I'm > > now > > > >> able > > > >>>> to > > > >>>> see the keel. As seen in the image about 2 inches of the aft > portion > > > >> hang > > > >>>> down below the fixed portion of the keel....is this normal > > > >>>> [image: image.png] > > > >>>> Reuben Mezrich > > > >>>> cell: 410-499-8922 > > > >>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 6:49?PM Reuben Mezrich < > > > >> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com > > > >>>> wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> Mike > > > >>>>> Great point but.... > > > >>>>> The same argument would be obtained with tasting the water. I'm > not > > > >>> sure, > > > >>>>> given your argument, how you could ever determine the source of > the > > > >>> water > > > >>>>> in the bilge > > > >>>>> I"ve had the boat 3 years now and never had even a drop of water > in > > > >> the > > > >>>>> bilge. > > > >>>>> We had torrential rains this weekend and no new water collected > in > > > >> the > > > >>>>> bilge. > > > >>>>> Its a puzzle > > > >>>>> --Reuben > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Reuben Mezrich > > > >>>>> cell: 410-499-8922 > > > >>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 4:34?PM Michael D. Weisner < > > > >>> mweisner at ebsmed.com> > > > >>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> Hi Reuben, > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Testing the bilge for the presence of salt using a salinity > meter > > > >>>> sounded > > > >>>>>> great until I thought about it a bit more. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> If salt water had ever been in the bilge, there would be salt > left > > > >>> after > > > >>>>>> evaporation of the water. When a new source of water filled the > > > >> bilge, > > > >>>> the > > > >>>>>> dried salt would contaminate the water, making it appear to have > > > >> come > > > >>>> from > > > >>>>>> a leak below the waterline. This could explain why the salinity > > was > > > >>>> greater > > > >>>>>> than that of the body of water within which the boat floats. The > > > >>>> salinity > > > >>>>>> test may not have ruled out rain water intrusion. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Mike > > > >>>>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91) > > > >>>>>> Nissequogue River, NY > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> -----Original Message----- > > > >>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list<rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On > > Behalf > > > >> Of > > > >>>>>> Reuben Mezrich > > > >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2023 11:48 AM > > > >>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> > > > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Ric > > > >>>>>> I?m liking your sabotage theory more and more (I did win some > > races > > > >>> last > > > >>>>>> week). I measured the salinity and its seawater and besides we > had > > > >>>>>> torrential rain this weekend and no additional water came in. > > > >>>>>> It?s time to remove that step and look at the center board trunk > > > >> more > > > >>>>>> carefully Reuben Mezrich > > > >>>>>> Cell:410-499-8922 > > > >>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay in Boston > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2023, at 11:29?AM, Ric Stott < > > > >> ric at stottarchitecture.com> > > > >>>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>> ?FRUSTRATING, RIGHT? > > > >>>>>>> I?m thinking rain water or sabotage. > > > >>>>>>> I?m having trouble with the idea that the cap could leak that > > > >> much > > > >>> - > > > >>>>>> and then not leak at all. > > > >>>>>>> Attached are photos of what happens when too much pressure is > put > > > >> on > > > >>>>>> the centerboard cap. > > > >>>>>>> When i inherited my ?84 rhodes, it had a crack in the cap > right > > > >>> above > > > >>>>>> the pivot pin. > > > >>>>>>> Obviously from the CB hitting the cap from the underside. > > > >>>>>>> It leaked a little - about a quart or two per day. > > > >>>>>>> I simply fiberglassed the crack and the leak stopped In the > fall > > > >> of > > > >>>>>>> 2019, I retrieved the boat onto the trailer and it was > initially > > > >> too > > > >>>>>> far back so I relaunched to move it forward. > > > >>>>>>> I did not realize that a helper had released the CB pendant > line > > > >> so > > > >>> it > > > >>>>>> was free to drop as the boat came off the trailer. > > > >>>>>>> Always check to be sure you CB is locked in the up position > > > >> before > > > >>>>>> launch -especially with the old style blade CB like mine. > > > >>>>>>> As the boat slid into into the water, I heard an odd crunching > > > >> sound > > > >>>> as > > > >>>>>> the boat first lifted then dropped again. > > > >>>>>>> I did get the boat forward on the trailer and pulled it out > > > >> before I > > > >>>>>> realized what happened. > > > >>>>>>> Once on the pavement, I noticed a huge amount of water drain > from > > > >>> the > > > >>>>>> CB - scratching my head, I looked inside and nearly had a heart > > > >>> attack. > > > >>>>>>> The photos explains what happed. > > > >>>>>>> It took me all winter to fix it. > > > >>>>>>> The CB and rudder are the two most vulnerable parts on a Rhodes > > > >> 22. > > > >>>>>>> Understand and Respect the way they work and always be careful > > > >> when > > > >>>>>> launching and when backing up in shallow water. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP > > > >>>>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com > > > >>>>>>> O -631-283-1777 > > > >>>>>>> C- 516-965-3164 > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2023, at 10:37 AM, Peter Nyberg < > > > >> peter at sunnybeeches.com > > > >>>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>> Reuben, > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> That doesn't sound like a crazy idea to me... > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> Peter Nyberg > > > >>>>>>>> Coventry, CT > > > >>>>>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> On 2023-12-20, at 08:56:56 EST, Reuben Mezrich wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>> In casting about for possible causes of the rather large > (~2ft, > > > >> to > > > >>>>>>>>> the top of the settee) flood into my boat I started wondering > > > >>> about > > > >>>>>>>>> the swing keel...in particular, what happens when the boat > lies > > > >> on > > > >>>>>>>>> the ground? The day of my flood had a particularly low tide, > in > > > >>> part > > > >>>>>>>>> because of winds pushing water out of the bay. I suspect my > > boat > > > >>>>>>>>> spent some time lying on the mud at the bottom of my slip and > > > >> I'm > > > >>>>>>>>> wondering if that might have pushed the swing keel up into > the > > > >> top > > > >>>>>>>>> of the centerboard trunk, possibly flexing it and causing a > > > >> leak. > > > >>>>>>>>> Given the 50 or so screws that hold the top down that is > > > >> unlikely > > > >>>>>>>>> but..... The boat is floating now and I can't find a leak > (thru > > > >>>>>>>>> hulls are OK and I don't see water on top of the centerboard > > > >>> trunk). > > > >>>>>> ...so I"m grasping at straws. > > > >>>>>>>>> --Reuben > > > >>>>>>>>> Reuben Mezrich > > > >>>>>>>>> cell: 410-499-8922 > > > >>>>>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment > was > > > >>>>>>> scrubbed... > > > >>>>>>> Name: IMG_2667.jpeg > > > >>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg > > > >>>>>>> Size: 106876 bytes > > > >>>>>>> Desc: not available > > > >>>>>>> URL: > > > >>>>>>> < > > > >>>> > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20231220/6230 > > > >>>>>>> dca0/attachment.jpeg> > > > >>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment > was > > > >>>>>>> scrubbed... > > > >>>>>>> Name: IMG_2665.jpeg > > > >>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg > > > >>>>>>> Size: 144731 bytes > > > >>>>>>> Desc: not available > > > >>>>>>> URL: < > > > >> > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20231220/6230dca0/attachment-0001.jpeg > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>> -------------- next part -------------- > > > >>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > >>>> Name: image.png > > > >>>> Type: image/png > > > >>>> Size: 305494 bytes > > > >>>> Desc: not available > > > >>>> URL: < > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20240127/dcacb660/attachment.png > > > >>>> > > > > > > > -- > > > Graham Stewart gstewart.gm at gmail.com > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2024 17:28:39 -0500 > From: Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin > Message-ID: > <5549D2B4-D271-491D-8B75-441BE52FB59D at stottarchitecture.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > HI Graham > It depends on your motor mount and what conditions you sail in. > If you have an original GB slider type you will probably need a 25? Extra > Long Shaft. > That is what I use and it works well except in big waves down wind, the > prop sometimes spins out of the water briefly. > Do no buy a short shaft for a sailboat. > Ric > SV Dadventure > 4 stoke motors are heavy, so be prepared. > ? > Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP > ric at stottarchitecture.com > O -631-283-1777 > C- 516-965-3164 > > > > > On Feb 2, 2024, at 3:32 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > 20?. > > > > Graham Stewart > > gstewart.gm at gmail.com > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 9:30 AM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > >> Turns out the lithium battery (4kwh) and charger that was located under > the > >> aft portion of the V-berth was partially submerged and the dealer > (Mastry) > >> has determined that both were ruined and have to be replaced. the cost > of > >> that is ~$3,000 which is substantially more than an 8 or 9hp Tohatsu > >> outboard with electric start would be So...i think its time for me to > give > >> up on electric outboards and go with a conventional gas outboard. > >> My question is what size shaft do I want....15" or 20" > >> > >> Reuben Mezrich > >> cell: 410-499-8922 > >> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston > >> > >> > >> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 1:09?PM Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> When I bought my 1876 boat in about 1995, the previous owner had added > a > >>> plank to the trailer that supported the keel. I continued with that, as > >>> it seemed to make sense, but discovered a few years later that I had a > >>> massive crack in the bottom of the keel that completely encircled the > >>> centerboard slot. You could only see it when directly under the keel > >>> without the plank in place. > >>> > >>> Fixing the crack was a massive job. I first had to build a huge lift so > >>> that I could suspend the boat high enough to work under it. Because of > >>> the crack, water had penetrated the keel and hollowed out the material > >>> that was inside. Glassing the bottom was a problem as the cloth > >>> thickness narrowed the slot such that the centerboard would not fit. > >>> Ultimately I had to drill holes down into the keel from inside the > cabin > >>> into which I poured 3 gallons of resin. I also injected resin through > >>> the sides of the keel into voids that I found by soundings. > >>> > >>> Believe me, this is a repair that you want to avoid. > >>> > >>> > >>> Graham Stewart > >>> > >>> Agile 1976 > >>> > >>> On 1/28/2024 12:38 PM, Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list wrote: > >>>> I've looked through the documentation on our boat and can't find the > >>> information you are interested in. I believe there has been a previous > >>> discussion of this topic on the list. Perhaps you can find what you > are > >>> looking for there. > >>>> Owners who have a trailer can see that the boat is supported on the > >>> bunks, not on the keel. > >>>> Don Simons, Old Forge, NY > >>>> On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 09:38:13 AM EST, Reuben Mezrich< > >>> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Is there any documentation that I can bring to the boatyard....I > >>> suspect > >>>> they won't believe it > >>>> --Reuben > >>>> Reuben Mezrich > >>>> cell: 410-499-8922 > >>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 6:58?AM Hank<hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> On a normal boat, yes, but not on a Rhodes 22. The keel is not strong > >>>>> enough to support the weight of the boat. This comes straight from > >> Stan. > >>>>> > >>>>> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 6:13?AM Reuben Mezrich< > >> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com > >>>> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Don > >>>>>> I was taught just the opposite...and > >>>>>> From Practical Sailor > >>>>>> "Most of the weight should be on wooden blocks, with the stands > >> serving > >>>>>> only for balance. Additionally, substantial weight on the keel > >> prevents > >>>>>> shifting of the keel in a beam wind. According to ABYC, there should > >> be > >>>>> at > >>>>>> least two blocking points; a single blocking point can allow the > boat > >>> to > >>>>>> rock fore and aft.Feb 25, 2019" > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Reuben Mezrich > >>>>>> cell: 410-499-8922 > >>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 6:11?PM Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list < > >>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Reuben, Although there are blocks under the keel, I understand > >>> that > >>>>> the > >>>>>>> weight of the boat needs to be on the jack stands. > >>>>>>> Don SimonsOld Forge, NY > >>>>>>> On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 01:35:24 PM EST, Reuben > >> Mezrich > >>> < > >>>>>>> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> So my boat finally got hauled (Holidays got in the way) and I'm > >> now > >>>>> able > >>>>>>> to > >>>>>>> see the keel. As seen in the image about 2 inches of the aft > portion > >>>>> hang > >>>>>>> down below the fixed portion of the keel....is this normal > >>>>>>> [image: image.png] > >>>>>>> Reuben Mezrich > >>>>>>> cell: 410-499-8922 > >>>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 6:49?PM Reuben Mezrich < > >>>>> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Mike > >>>>>>>> Great point but.... > >>>>>>>> The same argument would be obtained with tasting the water. I'm > not > >>>>>> sure, > >>>>>>>> given your argument, how you could ever determine the source of > the > >>>>>> water > >>>>>>>> in the bilge > >>>>>>>> I"ve had the boat 3 years now and never had even a drop of water > in > >>>>> the > >>>>>>>> bilge. > >>>>>>>> We had torrential rains this weekend and no new water collected in > >>>>> the > >>>>>>>> bilge. > >>>>>>>> Its a puzzle > >>>>>>>> --Reuben > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Reuben Mezrich > >>>>>>>> cell: 410-499-8922 > >>>>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 4:34?PM Michael D. Weisner < > >>>>>> mweisner at ebsmed.com> > >>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Hi Reuben, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Testing the bilge for the presence of salt using a salinity meter > >>>>>>> sounded > >>>>>>>>> great until I thought about it a bit more. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> If salt water had ever been in the bilge, there would be salt > left > >>>>>> after > >>>>>>>>> evaporation of the water. When a new source of water filled the > >>>>> bilge, > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>> dried salt would contaminate the water, making it appear to have > >>>>> come > >>>>>>> from > >>>>>>>>> a leak below the waterline. This could explain why the salinity > >> was > >>>>>>> greater > >>>>>>>>> than that of the body of water within which the boat floats. The > >>>>>>> salinity > >>>>>>>>> test may not have ruled out rain water intrusion. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Mike > >>>>>>>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91) > >>>>>>>>> Nissequogue River, NY > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list<rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On > >> Behalf > >>>>> Of > >>>>>>>>> Reuben Mezrich > >>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2023 11:48 AM > >>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> > >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Ric > >>>>>>>>> I?m liking your sabotage theory more and more (I did win some > >> races > >>>>>> last > >>>>>>>>> week). I measured the salinity and its seawater and besides we > had > >>>>>>>>> torrential rain this weekend and no additional water came in. > >>>>>>>>> It?s time to remove that step and look at the center board trunk > >>>>> more > >>>>>>>>> carefully Reuben Mezrich > >>>>>>>>> Cell:410-499-8922 > >>>>>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay in Boston > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2023, at 11:29?AM, Ric Stott < > >>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com> > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> ?FRUSTRATING, RIGHT? > >>>>>>>>>> I?m thinking rain water or sabotage. > >>>>>>>>>> I?m having trouble with the idea that the cap could leak that > >>>>> much > >>>>>> - > >>>>>>>>> and then not leak at all. > >>>>>>>>>> Attached are photos of what happens when too much pressure is > put > >>>>> on > >>>>>>>>> the centerboard cap. > >>>>>>>>>> When i inherited my ?84 rhodes, it had a crack in the cap right > >>>>>> above > >>>>>>>>> the pivot pin. > >>>>>>>>>> Obviously from the CB hitting the cap from the underside. > >>>>>>>>>> It leaked a little - about a quart or two per day. > >>>>>>>>>> I simply fiberglassed the crack and the leak stopped In the fall > >>>>> of > >>>>>>>>>> 2019, I retrieved the boat onto the trailer and it was initially > >>>>> too > >>>>>>>>> far back so I relaunched to move it forward. > >>>>>>>>>> I did not realize that a helper had released the CB pendant line > >>>>> so > >>>>>> it > >>>>>>>>> was free to drop as the boat came off the trailer. > >>>>>>>>>> Always check to be sure you CB is locked in the up position > >>>>> before > >>>>>>>>> launch -especially with the old style blade CB like mine. > >>>>>>>>>> As the boat slid into into the water, I heard an odd crunching > >>>>> sound > >>>>>>> as > >>>>>>>>> the boat first lifted then dropped again. > >>>>>>>>>> I did get the boat forward on the trailer and pulled it out > >>>>> before I > >>>>>>>>> realized what happened. > >>>>>>>>>> Once on the pavement, I noticed a huge amount of water drain > from > >>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>> CB - scratching my head, I looked inside and nearly had a heart > >>>>>> attack. > >>>>>>>>>> The photos explains what happed. > >>>>>>>>>> It took me all winter to fix it. > >>>>>>>>>> The CB and rudder are the two most vulnerable parts on a Rhodes > >>>>> 22. > >>>>>>>>>> Understand and Respect the way they work and always be careful > >>>>> when > >>>>>>>>> launching and when backing up in shallow water. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP > >>>>>>>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com > >>>>>>>>>> O -631-283-1777 > >>>>>>>>>> C- 516-965-3164 > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2023, at 10:37 AM, Peter Nyberg < > >>>>> peter at sunnybeeches.com > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> Reuben, > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> That doesn't sound like a crazy idea to me... > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Peter Nyberg > >>>>>>>>>>> Coventry, CT > >>>>>>>>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-12-20, at 08:56:56 EST, Reuben Mezrich wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> In casting about for possible causes of the rather large > (~2ft, > >>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>>>> the top of the settee) flood into my boat I started wondering > >>>>>> about > >>>>>>>>>>>> the swing keel...in particular, what happens when the boat > lies > >>>>> on > >>>>>>>>>>>> the ground? The day of my flood had a particularly low tide, > in > >>>>>> part > >>>>>>>>>>>> because of winds pushing water out of the bay. I suspect my > >> boat > >>>>>>>>>>>> spent some time lying on the mud at the bottom of my slip and > >>>>> I'm > >>>>>>>>>>>> wondering if that might have pushed the swing keel up into the > >>>>> top > >>>>>>>>>>>> of the centerboard trunk, possibly flexing it and causing a > >>>>> leak. > >>>>>>>>>>>> Given the 50 or so screws that hold the top down that is > >>>>> unlikely > >>>>>>>>>>>> but..... The boat is floating now and I can't find a leak > (thru > >>>>>>>>>>>> hulls are OK and I don't see water on top of the centerboard > >>>>>> trunk). > >>>>>>>>> ...so I"m grasping at straws. > >>>>>>>>>>>> --Reuben > >>>>>>>>>>>> Reuben Mezrich > >>>>>>>>>>>> cell: 410-499-8922 > >>>>>>>>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment > was > >>>>>>>>>> scrubbed... > >>>>>>>>>> Name: IMG_2667.jpeg > >>>>>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg > >>>>>>>>>> Size: 106876 bytes > >>>>>>>>>> Desc: not available > >>>>>>>>>> URL: > >>>>>>>>>> < > >>>>>>> > >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20231220/6230 > >>>>>>>>>> dca0/attachment.jpeg> > >>>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment > was > >>>>>>>>>> scrubbed... > >>>>>>>>>> Name: IMG_2665.jpeg > >>>>>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg > >>>>>>>>>> Size: 144731 bytes > >>>>>>>>>> Desc: not available > >>>>>>>>>> URL: < > >>>>> > >>> > >> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20231220/6230dca0/attachment-0001.jpeg > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>>>>>> Name: image.png > >>>>>>> Type: image/png > >>>>>>> Size: 305494 bytes > >>>>>>> Desc: not available > >>>>>>> URL: < > >>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> > >> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20240127/dcacb660/attachment.png > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>> -- > >>> Graham Stewart gstewart.gm at gmail.com > >>> > >> > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_7233.jpeg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 167295 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20240202/f0e4e3b7/attachment.jpeg > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2024 17:39:02 -0500 > From: Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin > Message-ID: > <CACdaeT5a-dgeVw3KB=-HBWB7yAopn+Ag247VgyNOO9u=+ > NSiew at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Ric: My experience is the same as you describe. Even with the long shaft I > have had the prop come out of the water in rough seas - when thrust is most > important. > I suppose there might be a way to get by with a short shaft with a special > motor mount but I would say that you might regret having a short shaft but > I doubt that you would ever regret having the long shaft. If there is any > doubt about which to get, going with the long shaft is best. > > Graham Stewart > gstewart.gm at gmail.com > > > On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 5:28 PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> > wrote: > > > HI Graham > > It depends on your motor mount and what conditions you sail in. > > If you have an original GB slider type you will probably need a 25? Extra > > Long Shaft. > > That is what I use and it works well except in big waves down wind, the > > prop sometimes spins out of the water briefly. > > Do no buy a short shaft for a sailboat. > > Ric > > SV Dadventure > > 4 stoke motors are heavy, so be prepared. > > ? > > Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP > > ric at stottarchitecture.com > > O -631-283-1777 > > C- 516-965-3164 > > > > > > > > > On Feb 2, 2024, at 3:32 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > 20?. > > > > > > Graham Stewart > > > gstewart.gm at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 9:30 AM Reuben Mezrich < > reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > >> Turns out the lithium battery (4kwh) and charger that was located > under > > the > > >> aft portion of the V-berth was partially submerged and the dealer > > (Mastry) > > >> has determined that both were ruined and have to be replaced. the cost > > of > > >> that is ~$3,000 which is substantially more than an 8 or 9hp Tohatsu > > >> outboard with electric start would be So...i think its time for me to > > give > > >> up on electric outboards and go with a conventional gas outboard. > > >> My question is what size shaft do I want....15" or 20" > > >> > > >> Reuben Mezrich > > >> cell: 410-499-8922 > > >> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston > > >> > > >> > > >> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 1:09?PM Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com > > > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >>> When I bought my 1876 boat in about 1995, the previous owner had > added > > a > > >>> plank to the trailer that supported the keel. I continued with that, > as > > >>> it seemed to make sense, but discovered a few years later that I had > a > > >>> massive crack in the bottom of the keel that completely encircled the > > >>> centerboard slot. You could only see it when directly under the keel > > >>> without the plank in place. > > >>> > > >>> Fixing the crack was a massive job. I first had to build a huge lift > so > > >>> that I could suspend the boat high enough to work under it. Because > of > > >>> the crack, water had penetrated the keel and hollowed out the > material > > >>> that was inside. Glassing the bottom was a problem as the cloth > > >>> thickness narrowed the slot such that the centerboard would not fit. > > >>> Ultimately I had to drill holes down into the keel from inside the > > cabin > > >>> into which I poured 3 gallons of resin. I also injected resin through > > >>> the sides of the keel into voids that I found by soundings. > > >>> > > >>> Believe me, this is a repair that you want to avoid. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Graham Stewart > > >>> > > >>> Agile 1976 > > >>> > > >>> On 1/28/2024 12:38 PM, Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list wrote: > > >>>> I've looked through the documentation on our boat and can't find > the > > >>> information you are interested in. I believe there has been a > previous > > >>> discussion of this topic on the list. Perhaps you can find what you > > are > > >>> looking for there. > > >>>> Owners who have a trailer can see that the boat is supported on the > > >>> bunks, not on the keel. > > >>>> Don Simons, Old Forge, NY > > >>>> On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 09:38:13 AM EST, Reuben Mezrich< > > >>> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> Is there any documentation that I can bring to the boatyard....I > > >>> suspect > > >>>> they won't believe it > > >>>> --Reuben > > >>>> Reuben Mezrich > > >>>> cell: 410-499-8922 > > >>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 6:58?AM Hank<hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> On a normal boat, yes, but not on a Rhodes 22. The keel is not > strong > > >>>>> enough to support the weight of the boat. This comes straight from > > >> Stan. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 6:13?AM Reuben Mezrich< > > >> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com > > >>>> > > >>>>> wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> Don > > >>>>>> I was taught just the opposite...and > > >>>>>> From Practical Sailor > > >>>>>> "Most of the weight should be on wooden blocks, with the stands > > >> serving > > >>>>>> only for balance. Additionally, substantial weight on the keel > > >> prevents > > >>>>>> shifting of the keel in a beam wind. According to ABYC, there > should > > >> be > > >>>>> at > > >>>>>> least two blocking points; a single blocking point can allow the > > boat > > >>> to > > >>>>>> rock fore and aft.Feb 25, 2019" > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Reuben Mezrich > > >>>>>> cell: 410-499-8922 > > >>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 6:11?PM Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list < > > >>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Reuben, Although there are blocks under the keel, I understand > > >>> that > > >>>>> the > > >>>>>>> weight of the boat needs to be on the jack stands. > > >>>>>>> Don SimonsOld Forge, NY > > >>>>>>> On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 01:35:24 PM EST, Reuben > > >> Mezrich > > >>> < > > >>>>>>> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> So my boat finally got hauled (Holidays got in the way) and I'm > > >> now > > >>>>> able > > >>>>>>> to > > >>>>>>> see the keel. As seen in the image about 2 inches of the aft > > portion > > >>>>> hang > > >>>>>>> down below the fixed portion of the keel....is this normal > > >>>>>>> [image: image.png] > > >>>>>>> Reuben Mezrich > > >>>>>>> cell: 410-499-8922 > > >>>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 6:49?PM Reuben Mezrich < > > >>>>> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com > > >>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Mike > > >>>>>>>> Great point but.... > > >>>>>>>> The same argument would be obtained with tasting the water. I'm > > not > > >>>>>> sure, > > >>>>>>>> given your argument, how you could ever determine the source of > > the > > >>>>>> water > > >>>>>>>> in the bilge > > >>>>>>>> I"ve had the boat 3 years now and never had even a drop of water > > in > > >>>>> the > > >>>>>>>> bilge. > > >>>>>>>> We had torrential rains this weekend and no new water collected > in > > >>>>> the > > >>>>>>>> bilge. > > >>>>>>>> Its a puzzle > > >>>>>>>> --Reuben > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Reuben Mezrich > > >>>>>>>> cell: 410-499-8922 > > >>>>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 4:34?PM Michael D. Weisner < > > >>>>>> mweisner at ebsmed.com> > > >>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Hi Reuben, > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Testing the bilge for the presence of salt using a salinity > meter > > >>>>>>> sounded > > >>>>>>>>> great until I thought about it a bit more. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> If salt water had ever been in the bilge, there would be salt > > left > > >>>>>> after > > >>>>>>>>> evaporation of the water. When a new source of water filled the > > >>>>> bilge, > > >>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>> dried salt would contaminate the water, making it appear to > have > > >>>>> come > > >>>>>>> from > > >>>>>>>>> a leak below the waterline. This could explain why the salinity > > >> was > > >>>>>>> greater > > >>>>>>>>> than that of the body of water within which the boat floats. > The > > >>>>>>> salinity > > >>>>>>>>> test may not have ruled out rain water intrusion. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Mike > > >>>>>>>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91) > > >
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