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Ric Stott
Water in the Cabin
2024-02-02; 17:28:39 EST
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2013-07-01
Posts: 431
HI Graham It depends on your motor mount and what conditions you sail in. If you have an original GB slider type you will probably need a 25” Extra Long Shaft. That is what I use and it works well except in big waves down wind, the prop sometimes spins out of the water briefly. Do no buy a short shaft for a sailboat. Ric SV Dadventure 4 stoke motors are heavy, so be prepared.  Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP ric at stottarchitecture.com O -631-283-1777 C- 516-965-3164 IMG_7233.jpegSee the original archive post
> On Feb 2, 2024, at 3:32 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com> wrote: > > 20”. > > Graham Stewart > gstewart.gm at gmail.com > > > On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 9:30 AM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Turns out the lithium battery (4kwh) and charger that was located under the >> aft portion of the V-berth was partially submerged and the dealer (Mastry) >> has determined that both were ruined and have to be replaced. the cost of >> that is ~$3,000 which is substantially more than an 8 or 9hp Tohatsu >> outboard with electric start would be So...i think its time for me to give >> up on electric outboards and go with a conventional gas outboard. >> My question is what size shaft do I want....15" or 20" >> >> Reuben Mezrich >> cell: 410-499-8922 >> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 1:09 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> When I bought my 1876 boat in about 1995, the previous owner had added a >>> plank to the trailer that supported the keel. I continued with that, as >>> it seemed to make sense, but discovered a few years later that I had a >>> massive crack in the bottom of the keel that completely encircled the >>> centerboard slot. You could only see it when directly under the keel >>> without the plank in place. >>> >>> Fixing the crack was a massive job. I first had to build a huge lift so >>> that I could suspend the boat high enough to work under it. Because of >>> the crack, water had penetrated the keel and hollowed out the material >>> that was inside. Glassing the bottom was a problem as the cloth >>> thickness narrowed the slot such that the centerboard would not fit. >>> Ultimately I had to drill holes down into the keel from inside the cabin >>> into which I poured 3 gallons of resin. I also injected resin through >>> the sides of the keel into voids that I found by soundings. >>> >>> Believe me, this is a repair that you want to avoid. >>> >>> >>> Graham Stewart >>> >>> Agile 1976 >>> >>> On 1/28/2024 12:38 PM, Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list wrote: >>>> I've looked through the documentation on our boat and can't find the >>> information you are interested in. I believe there has been a previous >>> discussion of this topic on the list. Perhaps you can find what you are >>> looking for there. >>>> Owners who have a trailer can see that the boat is supported on the >>> bunks, not on the keel. >>>> Don Simons, Old Forge, NY >>>> On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 09:38:13 AM EST, Reuben Mezrich< >>> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Is there any documentation that I can bring to the boatyard....I >>> suspect >>>> they won't believe it >>>> --Reuben >>>> Reuben Mezrich >>>> cell: 410-499-8922 >>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 6:58 AM Hank<hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On a normal boat, yes, but not on a Rhodes 22. The keel is not strong >>>>> enough to support the weight of the boat. This comes straight from >> Stan. >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 6:13 AM Reuben Mezrich< >> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com >>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Don >>>>>> I was taught just the opposite...and >>>>>> From Practical Sailor >>>>>> "Most of the weight should be on wooden blocks, with the stands >> serving >>>>>> only for balance. Additionally, substantial weight on the keel >> prevents >>>>>> shifting of the keel in a beam wind. According to ABYC, there should >> be >>>>> at >>>>>> least two blocking points; a single blocking point can allow the boat >>> to >>>>>> rock fore and aft.Feb 25, 2019" >>>>>> >>>>>> Reuben Mezrich >>>>>> cell: 410-499-8922 >>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 6:11 PM Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list < >>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Reuben, Although there are blocks under the keel, I understand >>> that >>>>> the >>>>>>> weight of the boat needs to be on the jack stands. >>>>>>> Don SimonsOld Forge, NY >>>>>>> On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 01:35:24 PM EST, Reuben >> Mezrich >>> < >>>>>>> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So my boat finally got hauled (Holidays got in the way) and I'm >> now >>>>> able >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> see the keel. As seen in the image about 2 inches of the aft portion >>>>> hang >>>>>>> down below the fixed portion of the keel....is this normal >>>>>>> [image: image.png] >>>>>>> Reuben Mezrich >>>>>>> cell: 410-499-8922 >>>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 6:49 PM Reuben Mezrich < >>>>> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mike >>>>>>>> Great point but.... >>>>>>>> The same argument would be obtained with tasting the water. I'm not >>>>>> sure, >>>>>>>> given your argument, how you could ever determine the source of the >>>>>> water >>>>>>>> in the bilge >>>>>>>> I"ve had the boat 3 years now and never had even a drop of water in >>>>> the >>>>>>>> bilge. >>>>>>>> We had torrential rains this weekend and no new water collected in >>>>> the >>>>>>>> bilge. >>>>>>>> Its a puzzle >>>>>>>> --Reuben >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Reuben Mezrich >>>>>>>> cell: 410-499-8922 >>>>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 4:34 PM Michael D. Weisner < >>>>>> mweisner at ebsmed.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Reuben, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Testing the bilge for the presence of salt using a salinity meter >>>>>>> sounded >>>>>>>>> great until I thought about it a bit more. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If salt water had ever been in the bilge, there would be salt left >>>>>> after >>>>>>>>> evaporation of the water. When a new source of water filled the >>>>> bilge, >>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> dried salt would contaminate the water, making it appear to have >>>>> come >>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>> a leak below the waterline. This could explain why the salinity >> was >>>>>>> greater >>>>>>>>> than that of the body of water within which the boat floats. The >>>>>>> salinity >>>>>>>>> test may not have ruled out rain water intrusion. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mike >>>>>>>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91) >>>>>>>>> Nissequogue River, NY >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list<rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On >> Behalf >>>>> Of >>>>>>>>> Reuben Mezrich >>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2023 11:48 AM >>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ric >>>>>>>>> I’m liking your sabotage theory more and more (I did win some >> races >>>>>> last >>>>>>>>> week). I measured the salinity and its seawater and besides we had >>>>>>>>> torrential rain this weekend and no additional water came in. >>>>>>>>> It’s time to remove that step and look at the center board trunk >>>>> more >>>>>>>>> carefully Reuben Mezrich >>>>>>>>> Cell:410-499-8922 >>>>>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay in Boston >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2023, at 11:29 AM, Ric Stott < >>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> FRUSTRATING, RIGHT? >>>>>>>>>> I’m thinking rain water or sabotage. >>>>>>>>>> I’m having trouble with the idea that the cap could leak that >>>>> much >>>>>> - >>>>>>>>> and then not leak at all. >>>>>>>>>> Attached are photos of what happens when too much pressure is put >>>>> on >>>>>>>>> the centerboard cap. >>>>>>>>>> When i inherited my ’84 rhodes, it had a crack in the cap right >>>>>> above >>>>>>>>> the pivot pin. >>>>>>>>>> Obviously from the CB hitting the cap from the underside. >>>>>>>>>> It leaked a little - about a quart or two per day. >>>>>>>>>> I simply fiberglassed the crack and the leak stopped In the fall >>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> 2019, I retrieved the boat onto the trailer and it was initially >>>>> too >>>>>>>>> far back so I relaunched to move it forward. >>>>>>>>>> I did not realize that a helper had released the CB pendant line >>>>> so >>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> was free to drop as the boat came off the trailer. >>>>>>>>>> Always check to be sure you CB is locked in the up position >>>>> before >>>>>>>>> launch -especially with the old style blade CB like mine. >>>>>>>>>> As the boat slid into into the water, I heard an odd crunching >>>>> sound >>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>> the boat first lifted then dropped again. >>>>>>>>>> I did get the boat forward on the trailer and pulled it out >>>>> before I >>>>>>>>> realized what happened. >>>>>>>>>> Once on the pavement, I noticed a huge amount of water drain from >>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> CB - scratching my head, I looked inside and nearly had a heart >>>>>> attack. >>>>>>>>>> The photos explains what happed. >>>>>>>>>> It took me all winter to fix it. >>>>>>>>>> The CB and rudder are the two most vulnerable parts on a Rhodes >>>>> 22. >>>>>>>>>> Understand and Respect the way they work and always be careful >>>>> when >>>>>>>>> launching and when backing up in shallow water. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP >>>>>>>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com >>>>>>>>>> O -631-283-1777 >>>>>>>>>> C- 516-965-3164 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2023, at 10:37 AM, Peter Nyberg < >>>>> peter at sunnybeeches.com >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Reuben, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> That doesn't sound like a crazy idea to me... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Peter Nyberg >>>>>>>>>>> Coventry, CT >>>>>>>>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-12-20, at 08:56:56 EST, Reuben Mezrich wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> In casting about for possible causes of the rather large (~2ft, >>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> the top of the settee) flood into my boat I started wondering >>>>>> about >>>>>>>>>>>> the swing keel...in particular, what happens when the boat lies >>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>> the ground? The day of my flood had a particularly low tide, in >>>>>> part >>>>>>>>>>>> because of winds pushing water out of the bay. I suspect my >> boat >>>>>>>>>>>> spent some time lying on the mud at the bottom of my slip and >>>>> I'm >>>>>>>>>>>> wondering if that might have pushed the swing keel up into the >>>>> top >>>>>>>>>>>> of the centerboard trunk, possibly flexing it and causing a >>>>> leak. >>>>>>>>>>>> Given the 50 or so screws that hold the top down that is >>>>> unlikely >>>>>>>>>>>> but..... The boat is floating now and I can't find a leak (thru >>>>>>>>>>>> hulls are OK and I don't see water on top of the centerboard >>>>>> trunk). >>>>>>>>> ...so I"m grasping at straws. >>>>>>>>>>>> --Reuben >>>>>>>>>>>> Reuben Mezrich >>>>>>>>>>>> cell: 410-499-8922 >>>>>>>>>>>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was >>>>>>>>>> scrubbed... >>>>>>>>>> Name: IMG_2667.jpeg >>>>>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>>>>>>> Size: 106876 bytes >>>>>>>>>> Desc: not available >>>>>>>>>> URL: >>>>>>>>>> < >>>>>>> >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20231220/6230 >>>>>>>>>> dca0/attachment.jpeg> >>>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was >>>>>>>>>> scrubbed... >>>>>>>>>> Name: IMG_2665.jpeg >>>>>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>>>>>>> Size: 144731 bytes >>>>>>>>>> Desc: not available >>>>>>>>>> URL: < >>>>> >>> >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20231220/6230dca0/attachment-0001.jpeg >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>> Name: image.png >>>>>>> Type: image/png >>>>>>> Size: 305494 bytes >>>>>>> Desc: not available >>>>>>> URL: < >>>>>>> >>>>> >>> >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20240127/dcacb660/attachment.png >>>>>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> Graham Stewart gstewart.gm at gmail.com >>> >>
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