Hi Roger,

Practicing 50 times how to drop your anchor quickly and safely when not in a panic means you're more likely to do it right when in a panic.

If you need more swing room, use a longer rode.  A 20' chain will keep your anchor lying down for a 2 ton boat.

Regards,

Rick Lange

On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 5:53 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Rick,
>
> Just because you use a carabiner and the bow trailer eye for routine
> anchoring doesn’t preclude going directly to the bow chock and cleat in an
> emergency.  For every emergency situation I can cite you 50 routine
> situations wherein a smaller swing radius or better anchor holding helps us
> get a better night’s sleep.  I offer my anchoring technique for those of us
> that are confident in our ability to use a boat hook and don’t have a panic
> attack when they go to the bow.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 26, 2023, at 5:26 PM, Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > The worst experience was 150 yd out from a breakwall protecting the
> marina
> > entrance I was headed toward in 20 Kt wind. When my windward upper shroud
> > chainplate let go, I KISS anchored because I was also out of gas..  I
> > managed to call for a tow anchored only 25 yd from the rocks.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Rick Lange
> >
> >
> >> On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 4:34 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> OK Rick,
> >>
> >> I’ve given the reasons why it’s desirable to anchor using a carabiner
> and
> >> the bow eye.  These are based upon sound physics and they will improve
> the
> >> anchor holding or shrink the swing radius EVERY SINGLE TIME!  If you
> want
> >> to reject it because you might trip and fall overboard, that’s your
> >> prerogative.  How often do you have to set the anchor in heavy weather?
> >> Don’t you think these are the very conditions wherein better anchor
> holding
> >> is highly desirable?  Good luck
> >>
> >> Roger Pihlaja
> >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Oct 26, 2023, at 4:08 PM, Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Roger,
> >>>
> >>> The boat hook and carabiner are unnecessary complications.  And
> >>> complications threaten safety.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Rick Lange
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 3:14 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Rick,
> >>>>
> >>>> Assuming you have a boat hook on board, you only need to thread the
> >> anchor
> >>>> rode thru the carabiner once.  After that, you use the boat hook to
> >> handle
> >>>> the anchor rode.  It’s no worse than any other time you need to be on
> >> the
> >>>> bow handling the anchor.
> >>>>
> >>>> Roger Pihlaja
> >>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Oct 26, 2023, at 2:36 PM, Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi Roger,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The problem with running or tying the anchor rode to the bow eye is
> >> that
> >>>>> you can't safely sit in the bow pulpit and do that during heavy
> >> weather.
> >>>>> The best thing is to first run the rode through a bow chock, tie the
> >> rode
> >>>>> to the bow cleat, then drop the anchor from the bow rail.  You can do
> >> all
> >>>>> that sitting securely in the pulpit with your legs hanging over the
> >> edge
> >>>> of
> >>>>> the deck.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Rick Lange
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 12:26 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <
> roger_pihlaja at msn.com
> >>>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Although I can't open the attachment, my R-22 has the same single
> bow
> >>>>>> cleat you describe on your boat.  There are many factors that affect
> >>>> how a
> >>>>>> boat lies to its anchor.  Factors which have a much larger effect on
> >> the
> >>>>>> boat than the slight off-center position of the anchor rode include
> >> wind
> >>>>>> and current direction and strength, distribution and amount of
> >> windage (
> >>>>>> i.e.  Do you have your pop top enclosure &/or boom room up? ), and
> >>>>>> underwater configuration ( i.e. Do you have the centerboard &/or
> >> rudder
> >>>> up
> >>>>>> or down? ).   There should be a pair of line chocks mounted port and
> >>>>>> starboard on the toe rails up on the bow.  On my boat, these line
> >> chocks
> >>>>>> are mounted on top of the toe rail about halfway in-between the
> >>>> stanchions
> >>>>>> on the bow pulpit.  You should run the anchor rode from the cleat
> thru
> >>>> one
> >>>>>> or the other of these line chocks.  Routing the anchor rode thru
> these
> >>>> line
> >>>>>> chocks will not only bring the effective point of attachment closer
> to
> >>>> the
> >>>>>> boat's centerline on the bow, it will also help to eliminate chafing
> >> on
> >>>> the
> >>>>>> anchor rode and the boat.  If your boat doesn't have these bow line
> >>>> chocks;
> >>>>>> then you should add them ASAP.  they also help eliminate chafe from
> >> dock
> >>>>>> lines.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> One thing you should also consider doing is routing the anchor rode
> >>>> thru a
> >>>>>> locking rock-climbing carabineer.  Then, attach the carabineer to
> the
> >>>>>> trailering bow eye and run the anchor rode thru one of the bow line
> >>>> chocks,
> >>>>>> and the bow cleat.  Now, the effective anchor rode attachment point
> is
> >>>>>> about 2 ft closer to the water.  This does good things for your
> anchor
> >>>>>> scope ratio.  An example will serve to illustrate my point:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Suppose you want to anchor in 10 ft of water depth.  If you route
> your
> >>>>>> anchor rode thru the bow chock, which is about 3 ft above the water,
> >> you
> >>>>>> have to add 10 + 3 = 13 ft.  To achieve a 7:1 scope ratio you would
> >>>> have to
> >>>>>> let out 13 X 7 = 91 ft of anchor rode.  If you route your anchor
> rode
> >>>> thru
> >>>>>> the bow eye with a carabineer, you will have reduced the attachment
> >>>> point's
> >>>>>> height above the water to about 1 ft and 10 + 1 = 11 ft.  Now, to
> >>>> achieve
> >>>>>> the same 7:1 scope ratio, you only have to let out 11 X 7 = 77 ft of
> >>>> anchor
> >>>>>> rode.  This is a significant reduction in your swing radius.  In a
> >>>> crowded
> >>>>>> anchorage, this is a useful trick, with no reduction in safety.  Or,
> >> you
> >>>>>> can let out the original 91 ft of anchor rode and achieve 91 / 11 =
> >> 8.27
> >>>>>> scope ratio.  With the same 91 ft swing radius, this larger scope
> >> ratio
> >>>>>> makes your anchor less likely to drag.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> This is SOP anchoring technique aboard S/V Dynamic Equilibrium.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Roger Pihlaja
> >>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ________________________________
> >>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf
> of
> >>>>>> Mitch Mitchell <mitchpadl at gmail.com>
> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 10:37 AM
> >>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Anchoring
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> >>>>>> -------------- next part --------------
> >>>>>> Hoping to get some suggestions for anchoring. My boat just has a
> >> single
> >>>>>> cleat centered on the bow and I’m trying to figure out the best way
> to
> >>>> run
> >>>>>> the anchor line. Should I go between the two center pulpit
> stanchions?
> >>>> If I
> >>>>>> do that it would be rubbing against the forestay which doesn’t seem
> >>>> good.
> >>>>>> Should I run it around the second set of pulpit stanchions? That
> puts
> >>>> the
> >>>>>> pull to the side which would make the boat go from side to side.
> I’ve
> >>>> read
> >>>>>> where other people have added all kinds of anchor rollers, chocks
> etc.
> >>>> but
> >>>>>> I am not interested in doing that. Thanks! I’ve included an image of
> >> the
> >>>>>> bow.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
>