I, too, apologize, Robert. Somehow the link "merged" with the lailend link of my email and can't be separated. I picked up off of another email client.  Unless they are remakes, I saw those a week or so ago. You're rudder was definitely bent.Regards,Joe Dempsey s/v RespiteDeltaville, VASent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone

-------- Original message --------From: "C. Robert Lester" <C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu> Date: 12/22/22  2:23 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 Forgive me please, 3rd try at attaching pic (size 73 KB).Bob ’84 ORION-----Original Message-----From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org>> On Behalf Of C. Robert LesterSent: Tuesday, December 13, 2022 3:29 PMTo: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22I'm finally posting a picture of the new rudder on the stern of our boat.This was after we pulled the boat last week for the season.You'll notice our old rudder ( for comparison) posted in earlier parts of this thread.Thank you, BobSent via BlackBerry Hub+ Inbox for Android<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fplay.google.com%2Fstore%2Fapps%2Fdetails%3Fid%3Dcom.blackberry.hub&data=05%7C01%7Cc.robert.lester%40dartmouth.edu%7Ca112d527e95c4fcf533f08dadd8d62b4%7C995b093648d640e5a31ebf689ec9446f%7C0%7C0%7C638065896565894409%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=wsnSeiwvS%2BLodNT09%2F4WZtTWCM3ue7DXkHGOdewe34U%3D&reserved=0>From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com<mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com>Sent: December 5, 2022 12:38 PMTo: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>Reply-to: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22Chris,There were a few years where the IMF mainsail was available; but, the centerboard was the old blade style.  Your boat appears to be one of those.  We would need Stan to say for sure.  But, I think the Diamond Board was introduced to correct the helm balance when the IMF mainsail became so popular.  You may find you need the slight forward tilt of the rudder blade.  I’ve never seen this topic discussed before.Roger PihlajaS/V Dynamic EquilibriumSent from my iPhone> On Dec 5, 2022, at 10:51 AM, Chris on LBI <cknell at vt.edu<mailto:cknell at vt.edu>> wrote:>> Roger,>> I have the IMF mainsail and the old-style blade centerboard.>> I, too, was thinking about that relatively large moment arm of the rudder blade. The resulting leverage would magnify slight changes at the rudder, which, in combination with the relatively flat bottom of the R-22 hull, would make the force applied at the rudder all the more effective (if there were more of a keel, slight changes in the rudder would have much less an overall effect).>> On a related note:> I also sail a Laser (which has a very flat bottom). A few years ago I discovered that I can steer the Laser with the daggerboard. I lock the tiller in a central position and ease the daggerboard up to fall off, down to head up. A change of an inch or so in depth is enough to change the heading a few degrees. This works best when sailing anywhere from a tight reach to a hard beat.>> I spent a good amount of time this past season working to balance the R-22 helm with sail adjustments. Next season I'm going to start balancing helm with the rudder up-haul. 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