Tom,

Another possible approach: get someone with experience (a marine surveyor?) who is not affiliated with the yard to take a look at your hull and render an opinion. Better to have one set of eyes on the hull in person than a dozen or more looking at digital photographs. If there is damage you'll need someone to give you an estimate anyway. It just seems very curious to me that anything they might use to detail your boat would strip paint and gelcoat off the hull. Lawsuits and such take their own toll on both parties.

Mark

Boston, MA

2000 R22 *Luna Mia*

On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 6:40 PM Shawn Boles <shawn.sustain at gmail.com> wrote:

> Tom:
>
> I've sailed my 86, refurbished in 2010, in an algae and weed infested
> freshwater lake for over a decade. Never a problem with the finish - the
> yard washes her at both ends of the season.
>
> I say sue the incompetent liar. With respect to swearing, I think  teaching
> your child righteous anger in the real world is a good thing.
>
> My 2 bitcoins worth.
>
> Cheers,
> Shawn
> s/ v Sweet Baboo
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 5:10 PM Tom Van Heule <
> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
>
> > The boat house owner whom I spoke with said he would talk with his guy
> > tomorrow about what happened.  He is aware I seek damages Infront of
> > putting in next year.
> >
> > We assume, dearest Stan....  The hull coats are maintainable, I know at
> > least 2 Rhodie's who have had zero issues.  I'm sure Rodger and Jessie
> and
> > Peter and Marylou and every other awesome rhodie I can't mention in
> passion
> > would agree.  Out boats don't suck... Someone stripped me.? Lol
> >
> > A bit miffed, but always trying to find joy/kindness,
> > Love our r22,
> > Tom
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 4:30 PM Tom Van Heule <
> > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I'd hate to tax him... As inevitably I would need a new bottom, just
> > > didn't think this soon.... after one detailing.  I spoke with another
> r22
> > > owner who mirrored your sentiment that something is "foul".
> > >
> > >  As Stan mentions inbox backup...  I will await his keen observation of
> > > this thread. I don't find anything specific in the reference materials.
> > We
> > > sure love our boat and want to ensure it's appreciation in value.
> (Triple
> > > printing USD these last two years aside)
> > >
> > > All comments on this appreciated,
> > > Fair winds,
> > > Tom
> > >
> > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 4:11 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Tom,
> > >>
> > >> I think Stan is your best resource here.  He would be most
> knowledgeable
> > >> about how the bottom was coated.  See if you can get an opinion from
> > him.
> > >>
> > >> Roger Pihlaja
> > >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>
> > >> > On Oct 20, 2021, at 4:44 PM, Tom Van Heule <
> > >> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > F...
> > >> >
> > >> > Any details I can use to build my case would be greatly appreciated.
> > >> >
> > >> > What WAS there? How should they have KNOWN how to treat it?  Any
> > >> resource
> > >> > that shows something like this? Maybe someone on YouTube or
> something
> > >> has
> > >> > covered this seemingly basic task? I do not believe the R22 has some
> > >> "super
> > >> > special fancy boat coating that the other 100k boats they service
> > >> doesn't?”
> > >> > I will gladly tell you all the shop, but only after I know how they
> > F'd
> > >> up.
> > >> > Pardon my french.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > I have a habit of making a scene... Today I had my 7yo son with
> me...
> > >> And I
> > >> > try to minimize his exposure to "daddy flew off the handle because
> his
> > >> > expectations were failed by a fucking professional".
> > >> >
> > >> > Ooo I swore again... Admittedly I am not looking for a $$$$.xx
> spend.
> > >> >
> > >> > I do have insurance.... As mentioned before.. it's better I minimize
> > >> > exposure to them.
> > >> >
> > >> > Meltzer knows... Lol
> > >> > Thanks everyone.  I'd like to wrap this up fast.
> > >> >
> > >> > I suppose for now I will call them and make them aware I am
> > >> > unhappy/aware/centeringmyself that they caused damage.?
> > >> >
> > >> > Enough ramble for now, thanks again,
> > >> > Tom
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 3:33 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com
> >
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Tom,
> > >> >>
> > >> >> That looks like you’re thru the gelcoat right down to the FRP
> > >> substrate.
> > >> >> Yes, you need a refinish before you put the boat back in the water
> or
> > >> even
> > >> >> expose it to much UV.  If it was my boat, I would have had a fit!
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Roger Pihlaja
> > >> >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Sent from Mail<
> > >>
> >
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> > >
> > >> for Windows
> > >> >>
> > >> >> From: Tom Van Heule<mailto:tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
> > >> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 4:30 PM
> > >> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Ooooof...
> > >> >>
> > >> >> 1. I silently paid and left.
> > >> >> 2. I can cancel their payment, but would prefer to talk it out.
> > >> >> 3. They told me it was fine... Are you saying I need a refinish
> now?
> > >> >> 4. I dropped it at storage this afternoon. Do I need to deal with
> > this
> > >> now?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I figured I would need a bottom paint every 2 years sitting in lake
> > >> >> Michigan. Not every year.
> > >> >> Could it be that the boat has a saltwater paint and these
> freshwater
> > >> guys
> > >> >> messed it up?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> It looks like a like buffing compound, or lake life, that's been
> > >> ground in
> > >> >> by the buffing?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I've never had a boat professionally cleaned.  Usually I just hit
> it
> > >> with
> > >> >> the power washer and mcquires, or something like that and a
> brush...
> > >> No
> > >> >> idea what chemicals they used... I will follow up.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 2:14 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <
> roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Tom,
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Any chance they had some hydroblasting media mixed into their
> > pressure
> > >> >>> washer that day?  Is their liability insurance going to cover it?
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Since the bottom is obviously down to the FRP substrate, you are
> > >> going to
> > >> >>> have to refinish the bottom.  May I recommend WEST system epoxy
> with
> > >> >> their
> > >> >>> 422 barrier coat additive.  At least you won’t have to worry about
> > >> >> osmotic
> > >> >>> blisters!
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Roger Pihlaja
> > >> >>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Sent from Mail<
> > >> >>
> > >>
> >
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> > >> >
> > >> >> for Windows
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> From: Tom Van Heule<mailto:tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
> > >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 2:15 PM
> > >> >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >> >>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> They said they have never seen a boat do this from their cleaning?
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Thoughts?
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> The rest of the boat looks great... But for a $800+ full
> detail....
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> It was showroom clean at the beginning of the season.
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