You shouldn't have a problem with removing the tire and still have enough tongue weight. I don't know what the "factory" spare tire bracket looks like but I made my own with treated 2x4s. Un-bolt the lug nuts and roll the spare off of the tongue.

Joe Dempsey
S/V Respite
Deltaville, VA


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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: A great sail in Boston Harbor (Chris Geankoplis)
   2. Re: racing at Lake Manawa in Iowa (Chris Geankoplis)
   3. [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on	to
      Trailer? (Jeff Smith Photo)
   4. Re: [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to
      Trailer? (Stephen Staum)
   5. Re: [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to
      Trailer? (Graham)
   6. Re: [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to
      Trailer? (Ric Stott)
   7. [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on	to
      Trailer? (Jeff Smith Photo)
   8.  racing at Lake Manawa in Iowa (Jeff Smith Photo)
   9. Re: [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on	to
      Trailer? (ROGER PIHLAJA)
  10. Re: [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to
      Trailer? (ROGER PIHLAJA)
  11. Is the Nabble forum gone? (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com)
  12. Re: racing at Lake Manawa in Iowa (bobfcohen at gmail.com)
  13. Re: [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to
      Trailer? (Bob Garrant)
  14. Re: Is the Nabble forum gone? (Peter Nyberg)
  15. Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? (Jeff Smith Photo)
  16. Re: Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? (ROGER PIHLAJA)
  17. Re: Is the Nabble forum gone? (Michael McKay)
  18. Re: Is the Nabble forum gone? (Todd Tavares)
  19. Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? (Jeff Smith Photo)
  20. Off-list question - Is General Boats still in	business?
      (Michael D. Weisner)
  21. Re: [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring	on to
      Trailer? (Michael McKay)
  22. Re: [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When	Motoring	on
to
      Trailer? (ROGER PIHLAJA)
  23. Re: Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer? (ROGER PIHLAJA)
  24. Re: [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring	on to
      Trailer? (Michael McKay)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2021 16:42:07 +0300
From: Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] A great sail in Boston Harbor
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Oh that looks great!

On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 3:20 AM Jesse Shumaker <
jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:

> Looks fun, thanks for sharing!  Will be curious to hear how the
> modifications go if you proceed.
>
> Jesse Shumaker
> S/V Zephyr
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 13, 2021, 6:20 PM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I just moved to Boston for the summer and asked Mark Whipple if I could
> > see his boat (he?s got a Hoyt Boom that I?m thinking of adding to my
> boat).
> > Happily he said yes and we had a glorious day sailing in the Harbor.
> That?s
> > Mark doing a great job (Oh yes, his boat has a wheel too)
> > Reuben
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2021 16:52:22 +0300
From: Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] racing at Lake Manawa in Iowa
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Awesome!

On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 2:50 PM Jesse Shumaker <
jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:

> We just had a Snipe regatta last weekend at our local lake.  Last year I
> got an old Snipe that I race in our local fleet and I thought the racers
on
> the list might enjoy seeing some of the dinghy racing in the midwest.  The
> video and photos came out well.  We also have match racing on Santana 20s
> and have some cruiser racing as well, but I'm crewing on a Capri 22 for
> that.  The video has some great drone footage.  I'm hoping my friend
Shelby
> can also get some drone footage of my Rhodes 22 soon.
>
> Video by Shelby
> https://youtu.be/03p4CfKKMYc
>
> Photos from Saturday from Ken:
>
>
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1KicbyxejA3YYg6EAtzq1mojKlGxa6mch?usp
=sharing
>
> Photos from Sunday from Lukas:
>
>
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1EkCsjK5mECbgzz39jo7f7k38L0urtOy7?usp
=sharing
>
> Jesse Shumaker
> S/V Zephyr
>

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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2021 15:59:54 -0400
From: Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When
	Motoring on	to Trailer?
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The diamond board should be down when motoring on to the trailer -  right?
Best regards,
Jeff
JeffSmithPhoto.Net
w <http://NJphoto.Net>ww.jeffsmithphoto.net
Cell: 732-236-1368
Atlantic Highlands, NJ

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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2021 16:06:52 -0400
From: Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When
	Motoring on to Trailer?
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They say that the board will guide the boat onto the trailer.  In hauling
it myself for 17 years I always loaded the boat onto the trailer with the
board up and never had any issues with getting it centered on the trailer
properly.


*Thanks and Stay Well,*

*Stephen Staum*
*s/v Pinafore*

*Needham, MA*



On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 4:00 PM Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
wrote:

> The diamond board should be down when motoring on to the trailer -  right?
> Best regards,
> Jeff
> JeffSmithPhoto.Net
> w <http://NJphoto.Net>ww.jeffsmithphoto.net
> Cell: 732-236-1368
> Atlantic Highlands, NJ
>

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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2021 16:27:46 -0400
From: Graham <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When
	Motoring on to Trailer?
Message-ID: <88ad28a2-74c2-48b9-8a44-9ae7c637755f at Spark>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

You can do that and It can be helpful perhaps with a strong cross current
that makes alignment with the trailer difficult but I am reluctant to do
this out of the fear that I will forget to retract??and cinch the uphaul
line. If you make this mistake the centreboard will drop when you back the
boat off the trailer and this can result in serious damage as the
centreboard can be pushed up with sufficient force to break the centreboard
cap. That will ruin your whole day.
On Sep 14, 2021, 4:00 PM -0400, Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>,
wrote:
> The diamond board should be down when motoring on to the trailer - right?
> Best regards,
> Jeff
> JeffSmithPhoto.Net
> w <http://NJphoto.Net>ww.jeffsmithphoto.net
> Cell: 732-236-1368
> Atlantic Highlands, NJ

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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2021 16:48:18 -0400
From: Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When
	Motoring on to Trailer?
Message-ID:
	<88FCDDAB-AD97-4E16-A920-D1F7D197ABDD at stottarchitecture.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8

I can assure you, it will ruin more than just the day. 
I believe the Diamond board was redesigned from the original blade style
Center Board specifically to avoid such disasters, and is less susceptible
to damaging the CB cap. The pivot point is different, but I do not know how
it is different, I?ve never seen one. Stan is reluctant to sell me a Diamond
board because it takes significant intervention and Fiberglass work to reset
the pivot point. 
I have a blade type CB and have repaired the cap once and replaced the whole
thing once. 
I rebuilt the cap, trunk and replaced all the control line rigging with new
Turning blocks imported from England - the only source for them.  
After a steep learning curve - I never back the boat up (put it in reverse)
with the CB down - it can cause damage to the cap.
If you launch with the blade type CB free to drop off the roller - it can be
catastrophic, I promise.  
Ric 
Dadventure 
?84 Continental 
HBNY  

Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
ric at stottarchitecture.com
O -631-283-1777
C- 516-965-3164



> On Sep 14, 2021, at 4:27 PM, Graham <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
> 
> You can do that and It can be helpful perhaps with a strong cross current
that makes alignment with the trailer difficult but I am reluctant to do
this out of the fear that I will forget to retract  and cinch the uphaul
line. If you make this mistake the centreboard will drop when you back the
boat off the trailer and this can result in serious damage as the
centreboard can be pushed up with sufficient force to break the centreboard
cap. That will ruin your whole day.
> On Sep 14, 2021, 4:00 PM -0400, Jeff Smith Photo
<jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>, wrote:
>> The diamond board should be down when motoring on to the trailer - right?
>> Best regards,
>> Jeff
>> JeffSmithPhoto.Net
>> w <http://NJphoto.Net>ww.jeffsmithphoto.net
>> Cell: 732-236-1368
>> Atlantic Highlands, NJ



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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2021 05:19:25 -0400
From: Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When
	Motoring on	to Trailer?
Message-ID:
	<CAM0HAm=fmUddb=feLMq1id27oVCBCH0CBxUxSemEJpFnqmNxwg at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

What you all say makes perfect sense. Board up it is. Thanks!
Since I will be hauling today to bend on a new mainsail and set Radiant up
for our Chesapeake Bay cruise in the Choptank and Miles River area, my
other Q involves the spare tire on the Triad trailer. I need to get the
boat as forward as possible to have adequate tongue weight and the last
time it was so close that the tire could not be removed. So I figured I
could carry the tire in the Explorer and move the boat as far forward as
possible. Less tire weight, but more boat weight...

Best Regards
Jeff Smith
www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
732-236-1368

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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2021 05:21:50 -0400
From: Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list]  racing at Lake Manawa in Iowa
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Great still and video coverage! Looks like a blast!

Best Regards
Jeff Smith
www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
732-236-1368

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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2021 12:02:17 +0000
From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When
	Motoring on	to Trailer?
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Jeff,

What if you installed a tongue mounted spare tire carrier like the attached
image from West Marine?

[cid:image002.png at 01D7AA07.FF2E0CE0]

Then, you could move the boat all the way forward, have the weight of the
spare tire as far forward on the tongue as possible, and not have to carry
the spare in your tow vehicle, a weight distribution win/win!  I have a
spare tire carrier like this on my RIB?s trailer.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows

From: Jeff Smith Photo<mailto:jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 5:19 AM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring on
to Trailer?

What you all say makes perfect sense. Board up it is. Thanks!
Since I will be hauling today to bend on a new mainsail and set Radiant up
for our Chesapeake Bay cruise in the Choptank and Miles River area, my
other Q involves the spare tire on the Triad trailer. I need to get the
boat as forward as possible to have adequate tongue weight and the last
time it was so close that the tire could not be removed. So I figured I
could carry the tire in the Explorer and move the boat as far forward as
possible. Less tire weight, but more boat weight...

Best Regards
Jeff Smith
www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net<http://www.http:/JeffSmithPhoto.Net>
732-236-1368

ttachment.png>


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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2021 12:31:07 +0000
From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When
	Motoring on to Trailer?
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Hi All,

The centerboard is not a digital device.  You will find; that, if you motor
onto the trailer with the board about half way down, it will guide the boat
onto the rollers as per Stan?s claim.  With the centerboard about half way
down, there is so little pennant left in the well that it cannot get snarled
up.  If you have to back up, the centerboard will only drop down until the
pennant catches it, no harm done.  I?ve been retrieving S/V Dynamic
Equilibrium onto it?s trailer with the centerboard half way down since 1987.
After the boat is up on the trailer, I disconnect the fuel line from the
engine.  While I?m waiting for the gas in the carburetor to be used up, I
kick up the rudder blade and cleat it off.  Then, I pull in the rest of the
centerboard pennant and cleat it off.  So, I always trailer and launch the
boat with the centerboard fully retracted and cleated off.

S/V Dynamic Equilibrium has a proper, high aspect ratio hydrofoil,
centerboard.  But, I would imagine the newer diamond board centerboards
would function in a similar manner when loading the boat onto the trailer.
Try it with the board about half way down.

All kick-up devices on sailboats are vulnerable to damage when backing up.
This includes the centerboard and even more importantly, the rudder blade!
I mention the rudder blade because, located on the transom, it is most
likely to hit something 1st when backing up.  There is tremendous leverage
to pry the rudder right off the transom if you back into something.  Not
only can you lose the rudder; but, you might rip a big hole in the transom!
Leaving the centerboard &/or rudder blade  down when backing up is hazardous
at best.  If you hit something, I would call it operator error.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows

From: Ric Stott<mailto:ric at stottarchitecture.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2021 4:48 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring
on to Trailer?

I can assure you, it will ruin more than just the day.
I believe the Diamond board was redesigned from the original blade style
Center Board specifically to avoid such disasters, and is less susceptible
to damaging the CB cap. The pivot point is different, but I do not know how
it is different, I?ve never seen one. Stan is reluctant to sell me a Diamond
board because it takes significant intervention and Fiberglass work to reset
the pivot point.
I have a blade type CB and have repaired the cap once and replaced the whole
thing once.
I rebuilt the cap, trunk and replaced all the control line rigging with new
Turning blocks imported from England - the only source for them.
After a steep learning curve - I never back the boat up (put it in reverse)
with the CB down - it can cause damage to the cap.
If you launch with the blade type CB free to drop off the roller - it can be
catastrophic, I promise.
Ric
Dadventure
?84 Continental
HBNY

Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
ric at stottarchitecture.com
O -631-283-1777
C- 516-965-3164



> On Sep 14, 2021, at 4:27 PM, Graham <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
>
> You can do that and It can be helpful perhaps with a strong cross current
that makes alignment with the trailer difficult but I am reluctant to do
this out of the fear that I will forget to retract  and cinch the uphaul
line. If you make this mistake the centreboard will drop when you back the
boat off the trailer and this can result in serious damage as the
centreboard can be pushed up with sufficient force to break the centreboard
cap. That will ruin your whole day.
> On Sep 14, 2021, 4:00 PM -0400, Jeff Smith Photo
<jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>, wrote:
>> The diamond board should be down when motoring on to the trailer - right?
>> Best regards,
>> Jeff
>> JeffSmithPhoto.Net
>> w <http://NJphoto.Net>ww.jeffsmithphoto.net
>> Cell: 732-236-1368
>> Atlantic Highlands, NJ



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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2021 14:53:19 -0400
From: <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
To: "Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Is the Nabble forum gone?
Message-ID: <00c601d7aa62$f367c4e0$da374ea0$@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

The link I had bookmarked for our Nabble forum
(rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com) doesn't work anymore.  Is it gone?

  _____  

 
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2021 17:21:29 -0400
From: <bobfcohen at gmail.com>
To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] racing at Lake Manawa in Iowa
Message-ID: <002b01d7aa77$a718ced0$f54a6c70$@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="utf-8"

Jesse -
Nice photos.  It looked like fun.
Bob Cohen
Silver Bay

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Jesse
Shumaker
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2021 7:50 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] racing at Lake Manawa in Iowa

We just had a Snipe regatta last weekend at our local lake.  Last year I got
an old Snipe that I race in our local fleet and I thought the racers on the
list might enjoy seeing some of the dinghy racing in the midwest.  The video
and photos came out well.  We also have match racing on Santana 20s and have
some cruiser racing as well, but I'm crewing on a Capri 22 for that.  The
video has some great drone footage.  I'm hoping my friend Shelby can also
get some drone footage of my Rhodes 22 soon.

Video by Shelby
https://youtu.be/03p4CfKKMYc

Photos from Saturday from Ken:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1KicbyxejA3YYg6EAtzq1mojKlGxa6mch?usp
=sharing

Photos from Sunday from Lukas:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1EkCsjK5mECbgzz39jo7f7k38L0urtOy7?usp
=sharing

Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr



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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2021 19:06:36 -0400
From: Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When
	Motoring on to Trailer?
Message-ID:
	<CAPi3tBBknZn7F1Q_nv4qx6CfyoNFZ=c9a3mzvs2zqP9+NCsTEA at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Hi Jeff
It sounds like you?re close to my neighborhood on the Chester. We?ll have
to check that out.
Bob Garrant
Sail la Vie 2900/2017
Kent Island


On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 5:19 AM Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
wrote:

> What you all say makes perfect sense. Board up it is. Thanks!
> Since I will be hauling today to bend on a new mainsail and set Radiant up
> for our Chesapeake Bay cruise in the Choptank and Miles River area, my
> other Q involves the spare tire on the Triad trailer. I need to get the
> boat as forward as possible to have adequate tongue weight and the last
> time it was so close that the tire could not be removed. So I figured I
> could carry the tire in the Explorer and move the boat as far forward as
> possible. Less tire weight, but more boat weight...
>
> Best Regards
> Jeff Smith
> www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
> 732-236-1368
>

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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2021 03:33:32 -0700
From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> 
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Is the Nabble forum gone?
Message-ID: <E1mQohw-00ClBZ-61 at s152.servername.online>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

Michael,

I?m on a cruise at the moment, so I don?t have access to the Nabble link
that?s on my home computer.  Last I knew, the Nabble forum was still there,
but the link between that forum and this email list was broken, making it
pretty useless. Perhaps now it has disappeared altogether.

Peter

> On 2021-09-15, at 14:53:19 EDT, mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com wrote:
>
> The link I had bookmarked for our Nabble forum
> (rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com) doesn't work anymore.  Is it gone?
> 



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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2021 07:23:14 -0400
From: Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer?
Message-ID:
	<CAM0HAmk5f-+fkQ-Z3fpBk-N3JhwWkhZMLJKGtnfVf9W2d2-B_Q at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Hi Roger,
Excellent suggestion! I found one at my local marine store for $15.00. The
only minor drawback is to remove spare while using tongue extension. Small
price to pay.

Best Regards
Jeff Smith
www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
732-236-1368rh

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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2021 12:14:19 +0000
From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to
	Trailer?
Message-ID:
	
<CH2PR02MB6920E16620E61A79C0DE163780DC9 at CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.
com>
	
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Jeff,

Why do you have to remove the spare tire when using the tongue extension?

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows

From: Jeff Smith Photo<mailto:jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2021 7:23 AM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer?

Hi Roger,
Excellent suggestion! I found one at my local marine store for $15.00. The
only minor drawback is to remove spare while using tongue extension. Small
price to pay.

Best Regards
Jeff Smith
www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net<http://www.http:/JeffSmithPhoto.Net>
732-236-1368rh



------------------------------

Message: 17
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2021 10:54:44 -0400
From: Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Is the Nabble forum gone?
Message-ID: <41A4D1C8-05C6-4CF6-9878-9008CAB01E93 at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

The value for me is for the ability to search the archives. There?s some
priceless info there.  

Michael McKay
(630) 209-2054 (m)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 16, 2021, at 6:34 AM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Michael,
> 
> I?m on a cruise at the moment, so I don?t have access to the Nabble link
that?s on my home computer.  Last I knew, the Nabble forum was still there,
but the link between that forum and this email list was broken, making it
pretty useless. Perhaps now it has disappeared altogether.
> 
> Peter
> 
>> On 2021-09-15, at 14:53:19 EDT, mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> The link I had bookmarked for our Nabble forum
>> (rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com) doesn't work anymore.  Is it gone?
>> 
> 


------------------------------

Message: 18
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2021 11:15:13 -0400
From: Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Is the Nabble forum gone?
Message-ID:
	<CAB-twMMfQxnmH8yjR8cnc319DrGMrqf2iFnCZdGmPLEeeAb9tQ at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Michael,

You can also search the archives (through Google) on the new website that
Peter built.

http://rhodes22.org/

Todd T.

On Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 10:54 AM Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> The value for me is for the ability to search the archives. There?s some
> priceless info there.
>
> Michael McKay
> (630) 209-2054 (m)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Sep 16, 2021, at 6:34 AM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?Michael,
> >
> > I?m on a cruise at the moment, so I don?t have access to the Nabble link
> that?s on my home computer.  Last I knew, the Nabble forum was still
there,
> but the link between that forum and this email list was broken, making it
> pretty useless. Perhaps now it has disappeared altogether.
> >
> > Peter
> >
> >> On 2021-09-15, at 14:53:19 EDT, mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >> The link I had bookmarked for our Nabble forum
> >> (rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com) doesn't work anymore.  Is it gone?
> >>
> >
>

------------------------------

Message: 19
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2021 12:22:25 -0400
From: Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer?
Message-ID:
	<CAM0HAmnvVbNX-93_4b7HZ9hK-2w+GaN--FWRO7KGzy9APjMf0w at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

The only place I could find on the Triad 2 axel trailer was in front of
the   vertical post which supports the "V" bow fitting. I wanted the spare
to rest on a horizontal part of the trailer.  That put it on the pin which
keeps the tongue extension locked.

Best Regards
Jeff Smith
www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
732-236-1368

------------------------------

Message: 20
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2021 13:22:49 -0400
From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Cc: c.mike.scott at gmail.com
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Off-list question - Is General Boats still in
	business?
Message-ID: <000c01d7ab1f$7a961130$6fc23390$@ebsmed.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

STAN,

 

Are you there? Mike Scott needs a trailer.

 

This was posted to the Rhodes 22 Owner's Group webmaster email (see below).

 

Mike

s/v Wind Lass ('91)

Nissequogue River, NY

 

 

From: c.mike.scott at gmail.com <c.mike.scott at gmail.com> 
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2021 12:32 PM
To: webmaster at rhodes22.org
Subject: Message for the rhodes22.org webmaster

 

Is the company, General Boats still in business? They don't answer my
emails. I need a trailer for my Rhodes.



------------------------------

Message: 21
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2021 23:51:13 -0400
From: Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When
	Motoring	on to Trailer?
Message-ID: <39123667-E878-4FB6-989D-8B19FA6C30A3 at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

Roger,

I?m preparing to trail my Rhodes on my own for the first time next weekend.
When I brought her home last year, the seller had removed the rudder and put
it in the cockpit for transport.  Is that step unnecessary or a reasonable
precaution?

Michael McKay
(630) 209-2054 (m)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 15, 2021, at 8:31 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi All,
> 
> The centerboard is not a digital device.  You will find; that, if you
motor onto the trailer with the board about half way down, it will guide the
boat onto the rollers as per Stan?s claim.  With the centerboard about half
way down, there is so little pennant left in the well that it cannot get
snarled up.  If you have to back up, the centerboard will only drop down
until the pennant catches it, no harm done.  I?ve been retrieving S/V
Dynamic Equilibrium onto it?s trailer with the centerboard half way down
since 1987.  After the boat is up on the trailer, I disconnect the fuel line
from the engine.  While I?m waiting for the gas in the carburetor to be used
up, I kick up the rudder blade and cleat it off.  Then, I pull in the rest
of the centerboard pennant and cleat it off.  So, I always trailer and
launch the boat with the centerboard fully retracted and cleated off.
> 
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium has a proper, high aspect ratio hydrofoil,
centerboard.  But, I would imagine the newer diamond board centerboards
would function in a similar manner when loading the boat onto the trailer.
Try it with the board about half way down.
> 
> All kick-up devices on sailboats are vulnerable to damage when backing up.
This includes the centerboard and even more importantly, the rudder blade!
I mention the rudder blade because, located on the transom, it is most
likely to hit something 1st when backing up.  There is tremendous leverage
to pry the rudder right off the transom if you back into something.  Not
only can you lose the rudder; but, you might rip a big hole in the transom!
Leaving the centerboard &/or rudder blade  down when backing up is hazardous
at best.  If you hit something, I would call it operator error.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
> 
> From: Ric Stott<mailto:ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2021 4:48 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When
Motoring on to Trailer?
> 
> I can assure you, it will ruin more than just the day.
> I believe the Diamond board was redesigned from the original blade style
Center Board specifically to avoid such disasters, and is less susceptible
to damaging the CB cap. The pivot point is different, but I do not know how
it is different, I?ve never seen one. Stan is reluctant to sell me a Diamond
board because it takes significant intervention and Fiberglass work to reset
the pivot point.
> I have a blade type CB and have repaired the cap once and replaced the
whole thing once.
> I rebuilt the cap, trunk and replaced all the control line rigging with
new Turning blocks imported from England - the only source for them.
> After a steep learning curve - I never back the boat up (put it in
reverse) with the CB down - it can cause damage to the cap.
> If you launch with the blade type CB free to drop off the roller - it can
be catastrophic, I promise.
> Ric
> Dadventure
> ?84 Continental
> HBNY
> 
> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> O -631-283-1777
> C- 516-965-3164
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2021, at 4:27 PM, Graham <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> You can do that and It can be helpful perhaps with a strong cross current
that makes alignment with the trailer difficult but I am reluctant to do
this out of the fear that I will forget to retract  and cinch the uphaul
line. If you make this mistake the centreboard will drop when you back the
boat off the trailer and this can result in serious damage as the
centreboard can be pushed up with sufficient force to break the centreboard
cap. That will ruin your whole day.
>>> On Sep 14, 2021, 4:00 PM -0400, Jeff Smith Photo
<jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>, wrote:
>>> The diamond board should be down when motoring on to the trailer -
right?
>>> Best regards,
>>> Jeff
>>> JeffSmithPhoto.Net
>>> w <http://NJphoto.Net>ww.jeffsmithphoto.net
>>> Cell: 732-236-1368
>>> Atlantic Highlands, NJ
> 


------------------------------

Message: 22
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2021 12:11:13 +0000
From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When
	Motoring	on to Trailer?
Message-ID:
	
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com>
	
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Michael,

It all depends on how the weight is distributed on your trailer.  The
transom is strong enough to support the static and dynamic loads of the
mounted rudder going down the road.  So, if you have enough tongue weight;
that, your trailer is stable on the highway; then, it?s OK leave the rudder
on the transom.  I?ve been leaving the rudder mounted for trailering for
years.  I like to kick up the rudder blade a few inches and cleat it off for
more ground clearance.  The rule of thumb for stability is the tongue weight
needs to be 10-15% of the gross loaded trailer weight (i.e. the all up
weight of the trailer + boat + motor + water, fuel, food, sails, gear, etc).
Note, I also leave my Honda 8 bhp extra long shaft outboard mounted on the
transom for trailering and it weighs ~130 lbs.  Check the list archives for
a discussion of how to measure and increase your trailer?s tongue weight.

With my trailer and mast carrier, the masthead is the thing that protrudes
furthest aft past the transom.  I put a red flag on the end of the mast so
the police won?t ticket me.  Depending on your trailer and mast carrier, you
might have to red flag the masthead or the rudder blade, whichever is
furthest aft.

Other than the extra rigging/unrigging steps, it certainly doesn?t hurt to
unstep the rudder and store it in the cockpit.  If you need more tongue
weight, you can even put the rudder in the cabin up in the V-berth.  If you
have to do that, I would wrap the rudder in something like a mover?s blanket
to protect the V-berth?s cushions.

If you leave the rudder stepped, remember it?s hanging out there on the
transom, possibly the 1st thing to hit if you back into something.  & you
can?t see it back there in your rear view mirrors!  I always kick the rudder
blade up all the way before backing up.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows

From: Michael McKay<mailto:mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2021 11:51 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When Motoring
on to Trailer?

Roger,

I?m preparing to trail my Rhodes on my own for the first time next weekend.
When I brought her home last year, the seller had removed the rudder and put
it in the cockpit for transport.  Is that step unnecessary or a reasonable
precaution?

Michael McKay
(630) 209-2054 (m)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 15, 2021, at 8:31 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>
> ?Hi All,
>
> The centerboard is not a digital device.  You will find; that, if you
motor onto the trailer with the board about half way down, it will guide the
boat onto the rollers as per Stan?s claim.  With the centerboard about half
way down, there is so little pennant left in the well that it cannot get
snarled up.  If you have to back up, the centerboard will only drop down
until the pennant catches it, no harm done.  I?ve been retrieving S/V
Dynamic Equilibrium onto it?s trailer with the centerboard half way down
since 1987.  After the boat is up on the trailer, I disconnect the fuel line
from the engine.  While I?m waiting for the gas in the carburetor to be used
up, I kick up the rudder blade and cleat it off.  Then, I pull in the rest
of the centerboard pennant and cleat it off.  So, I always trailer and
launch the boat with the centerboard fully retracted and cleated off.
>
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium has a proper, high aspect ratio hydrofoil,
centerboard.  But, I would imagine the newer diamond board centerboards
would function in a similar manner when loading the boat onto the trailer.
Try it with the board about half way down.
>
> All kick-up devices on sailboats are vulnerable to damage when backing up.
This includes the centerboard and even more importantly, the rudder blade!
I mention the rudder blade because, located on the transom, it is most
likely to hit something 1st when backing up.  There is tremendous leverage
to pry the rudder right off the transom if you back into something.  Not
only can you lose the rudder; but, you might rip a big hole in the transom!
Leaving the centerboard &/or rudder blade  down when backing up is hazardous
at best.  If you hit something, I would call it operator error.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
>
> From: Ric Stott<mailto:ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2021 4:48 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When
Motoring on to Trailer?
>
> I can assure you, it will ruin more than just the day.
> I believe the Diamond board was redesigned from the original blade style
Center Board specifically to avoid such disasters, and is less susceptible
to damaging the CB cap. The pivot point is different, but I do not know how
it is different, I?ve never seen one. Stan is reluctant to sell me a Diamond
board because it takes significant intervention and Fiberglass work to reset
the pivot point.
> I have a blade type CB and have repaired the cap once and replaced the
whole thing once.
> I rebuilt the cap, trunk and replaced all the control line rigging with
new Turning blocks imported from England - the only source for them.
> After a steep learning curve - I never back the boat up (put it in
reverse) with the CB down - it can cause damage to the cap.
> If you launch with the blade type CB free to drop off the roller - it can
be catastrophic, I promise.
> Ric
> Dadventure
> ?84 Continental
> HBNY
>
> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> O -631-283-1777
> C- 516-965-3164
>
>
>
>> On Sep 14, 2021, at 4:27 PM, Graham <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
>>
>> You can do that and It can be helpful perhaps with a strong cross current
that makes alignment with the trailer difficult but I am reluctant to do
this out of the fear that I will forget to retract  and cinch the uphaul
line. If you make this mistake the centreboard will drop when you back the
boat off the trailer and this can result in serious damage as the
centreboard can be pushed up with sufficient force to break the centreboard
cap. That will ruin your whole day.
>>> On Sep 14, 2021, 4:00 PM -0400, Jeff Smith Photo
<jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>, wrote:
>>> The diamond board should be down when motoring on to the trailer -
right?
>>> Best regards,
>>> Jeff
>>> JeffSmithPhoto.Net
>>> w <http://NJphoto.Net>ww.jeffsmithphoto.net
>>> Cell: 732-236-1368
>>> Atlantic Highlands, NJ
>


------------------------------

Message: 23
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2021 12:31:18 +0000
From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to
	Trailer?
Message-ID:
	
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com>
	
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"

Jeff,

I have the same Fulton spare tire mount that I sent you the picture of.
It?s designed to be mounted either vertically or horizontally and strong
enough; that, the spare tire doesn?t need to rest on anything.  The spare
tire on my RIB?s trailer ( 15 X 205-70 R tire + steel wheel ) has been
hanging out on this Fulton spare tire mount with no other means of support
since 2012.  If you remove the constraint about the spare tire needing to
rest on a horizontal part of the trailer, is there a place on your trailer?s
tongue where the mount and spare tire would fit without obstructing
anything?

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows

From: Jeff Smith Photo<mailto:jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2021 12:22 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Down When Motoring on to Trailer?

The only place I could find on the Triad 2 axel trailer was in front of
the   vertical post which supports the "V" bow fitting. I wanted the spare
to rest on a horizontal part of the trailer.  That put it on the pin which
keeps the tongue extension locked.

Best Regards
Jeff Smith
www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net<http://www.http:/JeffSmithPhoto.Net>
732-236-1368



------------------------------

Message: 24
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2021 09:17:19 -0400
From: Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When
	Motoring	on to Trailer?
Message-ID: <BE5ACE1F-15E7-45AC-B365-34B094799BA1 at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

Thank you Roger?that is excellent advice. 

Michael McKay
(630) 209-2054 (m)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 17, 2021, at 8:11 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Michael,
> 
> It all depends on how the weight is distributed on your trailer.  The
transom is strong enough to support the static and dynamic loads of the
mounted rudder going down the road.  So, if you have enough tongue weight;
that, your trailer is stable on the highway; then, it?s OK leave the rudder
on the transom.  I?ve been leaving the rudder mounted for trailering for
years.  I like to kick up the rudder blade a few inches and cleat it off for
more ground clearance.  The rule of thumb for stability is the tongue weight
needs to be 10-15% of the gross loaded trailer weight (i.e. the all up
weight of the trailer + boat + motor + water, fuel, food, sails, gear, etc).
Note, I also leave my Honda 8 bhp extra long shaft outboard mounted on the
transom for trailering and it weighs ~130 lbs.  Check the list archives for
a discussion of how to measure and increase your trailer?s tongue weight.
> 
> With my trailer and mast carrier, the masthead is the thing that protrudes
furthest aft past the transom.  I put a red flag on the end of the mast so
the police won?t ticket me.  Depending on your trailer and mast carrier, you
might have to red flag the masthead or the rudder blade, whichever is
furthest aft.
> 
> Other than the extra rigging/unrigging steps, it certainly doesn?t hurt to
unstep the rudder and store it in the cockpit.  If you need more tongue
weight, you can even put the rudder in the cabin up in the V-berth.  If you
have to do that, I would wrap the rudder in something like a mover?s blanket
to protect the V-berth?s cushions.
> 
> If you leave the rudder stepped, remember it?s hanging out there on the
transom, possibly the 1st thing to hit if you back into something.  & you
can?t see it back there in your rear view mirrors!  I always kick the rudder
blade up all the way before backing up.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
> 
> From: Michael McKay<mailto:mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2021 11:51 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When
Motoring on to Trailer?
> 
> Roger,
> 
> I?m preparing to trail my Rhodes on my own for the first time next
weekend. When I brought her home last year, the seller had removed the
rudder and put it in the cockpit for transport.  Is that step unnecessary or
a reasonable precaution?
> 
> Michael McKay
> (630) 209-2054 (m)
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 15, 2021, at 8:31 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Hi All,
>> 
>> The centerboard is not a digital device.  You will find; that, if you
motor onto the trailer with the board about half way down, it will guide the
boat onto the rollers as per Stan?s claim.  With the centerboard about half
way down, there is so little pennant left in the well that it cannot get
snarled up.  If you have to back up, the centerboard will only drop down
until the pennant catches it, no harm done.  I?ve been retrieving S/V
Dynamic Equilibrium onto it?s trailer with the centerboard half way down
since 1987.  After the boat is up on the trailer, I disconnect the fuel line
from the engine.  While I?m waiting for the gas in the carburetor to be used
up, I kick up the rudder blade and cleat it off.  Then, I pull in the rest
of the centerboard pennant and cleat it off.  So, I always trailer and
launch the boat with the centerboard fully retracted and cleated off.
>> 
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium has a proper, high aspect ratio hydrofoil,
centerboard.  But, I would imagine the newer diamond board centerboards
would function in a similar manner when loading the boat onto the trailer.
Try it with the board about half way down.
>> 
>> All kick-up devices on sailboats are vulnerable to damage when backing
up.  This includes the centerboard and even more importantly, the rudder
blade!  I mention the rudder blade because, located on the transom, it is
most likely to hit something 1st when backing up.  There is tremendous
leverage to pry the rudder right off the transom if you back into something.
Not only can you lose the rudder; but, you might rip a big hole in the
transom!  Leaving the centerboard &/or rudder blade  down when backing up is
hazardous at best.  If you hit something, I would call it operator error.
>> 
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>> 
>> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows
>> 
>> From: Ric Stott<mailto:ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2021 4:48 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes 22 List] Centerboard Down When
Motoring on to Trailer?
>> 
>> I can assure you, it will ruin more than just the day.
>> I believe the Diamond board was redesigned from the original blade style
Center Board specifically to avoid such disasters, and is less susceptible
to damaging the CB cap. The pivot point is different, but I do not know how
it is different, I?ve never seen one. Stan is reluctant to sell me a Diamond
board because it takes significant intervention and Fiberglass work to reset
the pivot point.
>> I have a blade type CB and have repaired the cap once and replaced the
whole thing once.
>> I rebuilt the cap, trunk and replaced all the control line rigging with
new Turning blocks imported from England - the only source for them.
>> After a steep learning curve - I never back the boat up (put it in
reverse) with the CB down - it can cause damage to the cap.
>> If you launch with the blade type CB free to drop off the roller - it can
be catastrophic, I promise.
>> Ric
>> Dadventure
>> ?84 Continental
>> HBNY
>> 
>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
>> ric at stottarchitecture.com
>> O -631-283-1777
>> C- 516-965-3164
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Sep 14, 2021, at 4:27 PM, Graham <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
>>> 
>>> You can do that and It can be helpful perhaps with a strong cross
current that makes alignment with the trailer difficult but I am reluctant
to do this out of the fear that I will forget to retract  and cinch the
uphaul line. If you make this mistake the centreboard will drop when you
back the boat off the trailer and this can result in serious damage as the
centreboard can be pushed up with sufficient force to break the centreboard
cap. That will ruin your whole day.
>>>> On Sep 14, 2021, 4:00 PM -0400, Jeff Smith Photo
<jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>, wrote:
>>>> The diamond board should be down when motoring on to the trailer -
right?
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Jeff
>>>> JeffSmithPhoto.Net
>>>> w <http://NJphoto.Net>ww.jeffsmithphoto.net
>>>> Cell: 732-236-1368
>>>> Atlantic Highlands, NJ
>> 
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