OK. I have been trying to track down this problem for Stan since Father's Day.

Using my secret decoder ring to gain access to the administrative control panel The GNU Mailman list permits me to view or change any settings for Stan. The "Receive your own posts to the list?" is set to "Yes".  The "Avoid duplicate copies of messages?" is set to "Yes". I do not think that it is the list.

My guess is that a "rule" may exist in Stan's Thunderbird email client that throws away emails "From the sender". I'm not knowledgeable about Thunderbird so it is just a guess.

As far as site hosting and domain registration benefactors go, I would look to Michael Meltzer. "Hello, Michael, is this thing on?"

Mike
s/v Windlass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2021 10:32 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] stan's email issue

OK, so there's a lot to unpack here.  I guess I know how I'm going to be spending the rest of my evening.  (I'm a very slow writer...)

First,  in my original post, I was merely trying to make sure we all knew what Stan's best email address was.  I think that we have at least answered that question.  The best way to contact Stan via email is still stan at generalboats.com.  

Second, Stan doesn't get copies of posts to the list sent back to him, so he's never sure if he's really sent them.  I'm sure there are many possible explanations for this, but one that pops up in my mind first is that there's a setting for this exact behavior.  In the list Admin pages, it's labeled "Receive your own posts to the list?".  If this is set to 'No', then posts you send to the list are sent to everyone else on the list, but are not sent back to you.  

Being a mere mortal, I can't see what Stan's subscription option settings are.  I'd rather not have to take the time to write out detailed instructions for how Stan (or anyone else) could sign in and review how their subscription options are set.  So, Mike, is it possible for you to check on this?

Third, Stan's internet domains appear to be a mystery to him.  I'm guessing that 'Thunderbird' is the email client he's using, not his 'provider'.  Both 'rhodes22.com' and 'generalboats.com' appear to be functional websites.  Emails to 'rhodes22.com' stopped working at some point, and no one knows why.  Emails to 'generalboats.com' continue to work.  Stan says that the 'generalboats.com' email is '100% free', but obviously that's not really true. Someone is paying for it. 

--Peter

> On 2021-06-28, at 14:24:45 EDT, stan wrote:
>
> 
> (Peter, I am sending this to you via the Rhodes list to see if you and 
> I both get it or you get it and I don't or no one gets it)
> 
> 
> Peter, thanks for your note and I do care to comment on it since it is 
> way above my pay grade and your coverage of these kinds of issues is 
> often understandable, even by those of us brought up on IBM electric typewriters.
> 
> For the past month or so I seem to be able to continue seeing emails 
> sent by others to others on the Rhodes List, however I no longer see 
> emails sent BY me to others on the List.  So I sent a test email 
> to the List.  Three 3 List readers said my test got to them via 
> the List.  So it seems my emails arrive at the List post office 
> and all List members see them (I am assuming), except me (I am not 
> assuming). Thus I have become unsure as to whether any mail I send to 
> the list is getting through since my mail to the List does not show in my inbox.
> 
> I do not believe my email address is in any way connected to this 
> issue.  What seems like only 100 years ago, Michael Meltzer and I 
> sat down in his smoke filled NYC office and argued over the making of 
> the GB web site; me being a jack of all trades, master of none, was at 
> that time carrying a union card as a member of the radio and tv 
> directors guild with a little copywriting on the side, Michael, having 
> been born with a computer in his mouth, did the first web site and 
> some time later set me up with email. My current memory is that my 
> address from that start was <a 
> href="http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list">stan at 
> generalboats.com.</a> I liked his email set up since it was 100% free 
> and I was born during the great depression.   Plus anyone 
> who worked for GB did not have to have their own address, they merely 
> put their name before the @ sign.   Some where along our 
> historic path, (I believe when Michael and others created the Rhodes 
> chat room) with the address <a 
> href="http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list">rhodes22-lis
> t at rhodes22.org</a> I think they changed my address for a better 
> match: <a 
> href="http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list">stan
> at rhodes22.com.</a> I did like that address as it was more 
> descriptive of what we do. I was not thrilled with the new provider; 
> the number of attachments were restricted and even my draft file 
> shrunk. Luckily dumb luck had no one bothering to cancel the original 
> <a href="http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list">stan at 
> generalboats.com</a> address.  So when the rhodes22.com email 
> suddenly stopped and no one could figure out why, it became do or die 
> time; survival was linked to the mountains of daily emails. Rhodies 
> jumped in with several stop gap addresses including a <a 
> href="http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list">stan at 
> gmail.</a>  Not at home with their formats, I thought I would try 
> the original <a 
> href="http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list">stan at 
> generalboats.com</a> for the hell of it.  Damn if it didn't work, 
> just like the old days, no costs, no restrictions. That was 4 or 5 
> years ago and it has continued faultless.   It's provider: Thunderbird.
> 
> What additional info might you need?  I am inclined to guess that 
> I caused the problem at this end by having inadvertently pushed some 
> keyboard key that gave Thunderbird the idea that I did not want to see 
> my emails I sent to the list ?
> 
> stan
> 
> 
>