Hank:
The ability of the stern rail to hold the load was something I was wondering about as well. I thought the whole stern rail might come off the first time I had a major jibe but so far so good. I have heaved on the rail with my full weight and it doesn't budge oo even flex and I thought that stainless tubing should be at least as strong as rigging but the fact that it doesn't flex might be the weak point.

Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Hank
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 10:20 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes22e-list] New Traveler Modifications - another alternative

Graham,

So is your mainsheet basically connected to the boat through the stern
rails?  Normally, travellers are attached to something a bit more
substantial as railing mounts are generally not that strong or designed to
hold a load in that direction.  Just something to think about.

Hank

On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 10:11 AM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:

> I have been interested in the traveler discussion. My boat (1976) didn't
> have a traveler when I got it and the mainsheet was simply attached to the
> table base in the cockpit. My backstays are not equipped to install a
> traveler and replacing the stays with new ones seemed cost prohibitive to
> me. Initially I installed a traveler between the lazerette and the cockpit
> seats. That worked well enough but made movement around the cockpit
> awkward.
>
> My latest version was to mount the traveler track to a 1" stainless steel
> tube and fasten that to my stern rail where it would seem to work in a
> manner similar to those attached to the back stays. The rail does not flex
> like the backstays would but I don't know if that is a good thing or not.
> While this system seems very strong to me I am no engineer or otherwise
> qualified to know.
>
> For those who are reluctant to pay the cost of both the backstay
> replacement plus the cost of the new traveler this arrangement might be
> worth considering.
>
> I like that the traveler being close to the stern rail means I don't have
> an additional barrier to reaching over the stern rail to lift the motor and
> that it is out of the way when sailing. I don't like the fact the it is
> awkward to reach the lee traveler line. Any thought on improvements or
> worries about this installation would be welcome.
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
> Of Curtis Ruck via Rhodes22-list
> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2021 9:45 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes22e-list] New Traveler Modifications
>
> Hmm, i'll jump in and throw my two cents in, with my 1976 R22.
>
> When i'm racing in gusty 15+ knots... i am typically sitting on the side
> rails above the seat, with one hand on the tiller extension and my other
> fully gloved hand is holding the mainsheet uncleated, and i use that hand
> to either let slip the mainsheet in a strong gust, or i give and take a
> little with my hand holding the mainsheet from flying loose.  I have a
> harken 3:1 windward sheeting traveler rail mounted on the back stays.  I
> try to get the mainsheet as flat as possible.  I would never use my
> traveler to try controlling the main for gusting, holding the uncleated
> mainsheet just feels natural, a little give, a little take, lets me feel
> like i'm riding with the wind, and it allows instant response.  Though on
> long races my arms feel it.
>
> BTW, my traveler setup in the picture.  I mounted the harken traveler rail
> on a 1" OD Fiberglass tube with stainless 316 mounts on each end that the
> backstays run through.  Mounts are attached to the backstay with a small
> stainless tube slightly larger than the backstay diameter to reduce the
> friction wear on the backstays.  I love the setup, but sometimes wish I had
> a fixed traveler rail that wasn't floating.
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> --
> Curtis
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 8:38 PM Shawn Boles <shawn.sustain at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Oh boy, a match race! Much more enjoyable than the obscene, but
> > fascinating, America's Cup races I just watched.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Shawn s/v Sweet Baboo (1986/2010)
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 25, 2021, 1:49 PM Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Roger,
> > >
> > > I learned to sail and race by taking a college physical education class
> > > over 50 years ago.  I've raced dinghies through keel boats, including
> the
> > > R22, and as skipper, have a few blue flags to show for it.
> > >
> > > I accept your challenge to match race R22's with the IMF and diamond
> > board.
> > >
> > > I challenge you to produce the videos you said are so common
> > demonstrating
> > > using the traveller on small sloops to dump wind during gusts
> > > that overpower while close hauled.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Rick Lange
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 2:44 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Rick,
> > > >
> > > > We were having a discussion of mainsail trim and traveler use in
> heavy
> > > air
> > > > wherein the rig needs to be depowered in gusts and then quickly
> brought
> > > > back on line after the gust has passed.  Mainsail shape for <= 10
> knots
> > > is
> > > > considered light air and is a different subject.  As you noted, the
> > > optimum
> > > > light air mainsail shape is achieved with a different traveler car
> > > position
> > > > and mainsheet tension vs heavy air.  In light air, it is also much
> less
> > > > likely the rig will need to be depowered as per the original
> > discussion.
> > > >
> > > > It is beyond the scope of my job description to give tutorials on
> sail
> > > > trim in all possible conditions. I suggest you take a class or go
> > racing.
> > > >
> > > > Stan,
> > > >
> > > > I give up!  I’ve tried to explain the merits of your GBI 29 Traveler
> to
> > > > the best of my ability.  But, it’s not working.  If you want to jump
> > into
> > > > this discussion, go ahead.  But, I’m done.
> > > >
> > > > Roger Pihlaja
> > > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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