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Roger Remember, I don't have my Rhodes yet...waiting on Stan to finish the recycling --Reuben Reuben Mezrich Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Inner Harbor in Baltimore Cell: 410-499-8922See the original archive post
On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 4:35 PM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> wrote: > Roger > First, John (don't remember his last name) the author of Affordable > Adventurs goes through an analysis of how tight you want the Jack lines > and, especially in the case where it is down the centerline, you don't need > or want it all that tight. Second, it does follow the contour "good > enough".Third, the port and starboard lines (he uses webbing) are attached > just outside of the forward aspect of the cockpit, leans against the dodger > (which he had) and then to the mast. To go forward you unhook from the > cockpit lines (as you do now), then hook to the port or starboard line, go > forward to you are abreast of the mast and move your tether to the > centerline. > He has nice pictures of how he attaches > --Reuben > Reuben Mezrich > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Inner Harbor in Baltimore > Cell: 410-499-8922 > > > On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 3:18 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> > wrote: > >> Reuben, >> >> OK, what about the bow jack line not following the contour of the >> foredeck and cabin doghouse? In other words, if the jack line is pulled >> taut enough from the bow back to the mast to be of any use keeping you on >> board; then, it will have to angle up from the bow to clear the leading >> edge of the cabin doghouse. Isn’t this jack line a trip hazard on the >> foredeck? I can see how the port and starboard jack lines could be >> anchored to the halyard organizer at the mast step. But, what did you >> attach them to at the cockpit so they didn’t block access to the side decks? >> >> Roger Pihlaja >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Nov 25, 2020, at 1:59 PM, Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >> > ?Over the past few years the couple who write a newsletter "Affordable >> > Adventures" discussed ways to run a Jackline down the center of a boat. >> > Basically they run two shorter jacklines from the cockpit to the mast >> and >> > then one from the mast to the bow. You hook on in the cockpit, go >> forward >> > till you have to change lines when you get as far as the mast. >> > Good discussion >> > >> https://www.morganscloud.com/2015/12/05/person-overboard-better-jackline-systems/ >> > >> > --Reuben >> > Reuben Mezrich >> > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Inner Harbor in Baltimore >> > Cell: 410-499-8922 >> > >> > >> >> On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 7:17 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> I thought about a safety tether system using a jack line on the >> centerline >> >> of the boat. But, on the bow, you have the issue of how to anchor the >> end >> >> so it doesn’t interfere with roller furler. In my case, I suppose I >> could >> >> have anchored the bow end of the jack line to a thru-bolted padeye I >> >> installed for the tack on my cruising spinnaker. It’s far enough aft >> of >> >> the bow to not interfere with the roller furler and it’s control line. >> >> Going aft, you could anchor the jack line to the halyard organizer at >> the >> >> mast step. But, I want to be able to clip onto the jack line before I >> >> leave the cockpit and having the jack line end at the mast step leaves >> >> several hazardous steps with no connected safety harness. Aft of the >> mast >> >> step, you are kind of out of good options. You can’t anchor the jack >> line >> >> to anything on the pop top because it’s not fastened down and not HD >> enough >> >> anyway. If you go all the way aft to the stern pulpit, then the jack >> line >> >> runs down the length of the cockpit right at chest level, plus it >> >> interferes with the boom vang, the tiller, the mainsheet traveler, and >> >> mainsheets to say nothing of the crew. >> >> >> >> By running my jack lines up the port and starboard side decks from the >> >> cockpit to the base of the bow pulpit, I avoid all these issues. The >> only >> >> disadvantage to my system is that if you go over on the side you are >> >> clipped into, the tether has quite a bit of slack and can leave you >> >> hanging. But my railings are 30” high and I go forward in a crouch so >> I >> >> stay low. Of course, you normally go forward on the windward side of >> the >> >> boat. So, as long as the boat doesn’t broach, you are likely to be OK. >> >> >> >> A jack line running up the centerline would be ideal. So, inquiring >> minds >> >> want to know, how did you rig a jack line on the centerline of your >> Rhodes >> >> 22? >> >> >> >> Roger Pihlaja >> >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >> >> >> >> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for >> >> Windows 10 >> >> >> >> From: ROGER PIHLAJA<mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 5:34 PM >> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> >> >> Subject: Rhodes 22 Safety Tether System & Winter Projects >> >> >> >> Tom, >> >> >> >> Unfortunately, S/V Dynamic Equilibrium is in winter storage. I don’t >> >> think I have any photos of the safety tether system. It’s a pretty >> >> standard arrangement for offshore monohull sailboats and I never >> thought to >> >> take a picture of it. I store the boat at the Midland Co. Fairgrounds >> in >> >> the unused animal barns and vender buildings. For Midland Co. >> residents, >> >> the price is right, especially considering it’s secure indoor storage. >> >> But, I don’t have access to the boat until next spring. >> >> >> >> This winter’s projects will be to fabricate a new galley table and >> under >> >> cabinet sliding doors. Both of these components are original (1976) >> and >> >> delaminating on my boat. I’ve asked Stan about purchasing a new table >> and >> >> doors several times. But, so far, he hasn’t responded to my queries. >> I’d >> >> like to support his replacement parts business. But, when he doesn’t >> >> respond, what can you do? >> >> >> >> Roger Pihlaja >> >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >>> On Nov 24, 2020, at 5:10 PM, Tom Van Heule < >> >> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> ?Pics Roger? Sounds good. >> >>> >> >>> We gotta have a lake michigan r22 summit. >> >>> There are a few of us that are pretty active. And I know the least! >> >>> >> >>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020, 4:04 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> >> >> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Jesse, >> >>>> >> >>>> We have a 1” wide nylon strap running up the center of the cockpit >> >> floor. >> >>>> It’s attached to thru bolted padeyes with big backing plates on the >> >> cabin >> >>>> and lazarette compartment bulkheads. >> >>>> Then, we have 1/2” double braided nylon rope running down the deck >> port >> >>>> and starboard from the cockpit to the bow pulpit. It’s anchored to >> the >> >>>> base of the lifeline stanchions on each end. The safety harness >> tether >> >> has >> >>>> a carabiner on the end of a 6’ nylon strap. In the cockpit, you clip >> >> the >> >>>> carabiner onto the nylon strap on the floor as you come aboard or >> leave >> >> the >> >>>> cabin. The carabiner will slide along the strap and let you get >> >> anywhere >> >>>> in the cockpit, even hike out on the gunnels. To go forward, you >> unclip >> >>>> from the cockpit and clip onto the 1/2” nylon rope on the side deck >> you >> >> are >> >>>> going to use. The carabiner will slide along the rope and the >> harness >> >>>> tether is long enough to enable you to do almost any task at the mast >> >> or on >> >>>> the foredeck. I have good 30” high rails and stout handholds to hang >> >> onto. >> >>>> >> >>>> We have a firm rule that everyone wears a PFD whenever they are on >> deck >> >>>> and the boat is not at anchor or at a dock. Growing up, since >> everyone >> >>>> wore their PFD’s, the boys never had an issue with wearing theirs. >> >>>> >> >>>> 22 ft LOA is a pretty small boat for the Great Lakes. You can’t >> always >> >>>> count on fair winds! >> >>>> >> >>>> Roger Pihlaja >> >>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >> >>>> >> >>>> Sent from my iPhones >> >>>>> On Nov 24, 2020, at 4:10 PM, Jesse Shumaker < >> >>>> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> ?While I'm used to wearing a PFD, that's the first I've heard of >> >> wearing >> >>>>> safety harnesses on a Rhodes 22. Then again, I've yet to take >> Zephyr >> >> to >> >>>> a >> >>>>> very large body of water. Hopefully there are some bigger >> adventures >> >> for >> >>>>> Zephyr in my future! >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Jesse Shumaker >> >>>>> S/V Zephyr >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 11:02 AM ROGER PIHLAJA < >> roger_pihlaja at msn.com >> >>> >> >>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Jesse, >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Yes, we’ve had a few “HOLY SHIT!” moments, primarily when my sons >> were >> >>>>>> learning to helm and trim. By the time they were teenagers, they >> both >> >>>>>> regarded S/V Dynamic Equilibrium as their own personal amusement >> park >> >>>>>> ride. But, only when their mother wasn’t on board! I always told >> >> them >> >>>> it >> >>>>>> only gets really interesting when the small craft warnings are >> posted! >> >>>>>> When dad put his safety harness on, their eyes would open wide and >> >>>> they’d >> >>>>>> scramble below to find their harnesses. They both knew firsthand >> that >> >>>> dad >> >>>>>> was nuts and there was some fun in store. I like to wear my >> harness >> >>>> over >> >>>>>> my PFD. When you’re sailing this aggressively, you frequently get >> >>>> tossed >> >>>>>> into hard “stuff”. The PFD provides some cushioning. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Roger Pihlaja >> >>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>>>>> On Nov 24, 2020, at 10:19 AM, Jesse Shumaker < >> >>>>>> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> ?Roger, thanks for the details on the sail trim. You had >> mentioned >> >>>> some >> >>>>>>> configurations where the boat would tend to heel further rather >> than >> >>>>>> round >> >>>>>>> up if conditions strengthen. I'm curious, have you had any >> >> knockdowns >> >>>> in >> >>>>>>> cases where the helmsman didn't ease the mainsheet in time or >> feather >> >>>> up >> >>>>>>> into the wind when there's a sudden gust? I'm always trying to >> read >> >>>> the >> >>>>>>> water for wind, but there are cases when things get busy and I >> have >> >>>> been >> >>>>>>> occasionally surprised by a gust when I was distracted. I wasn't >> >> sure >> >>>> if >> >>>>>>> you had any memorable HOLY SHIT moments as you alluded to in your >> >> note. >> >>>>>> We >> >>>>>>> always enjoy your advice and tales of adventure! >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Jesse Shumaker >> >>>>>>> S/V Zephyr >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 5:39 PM ROGER PIHLAJA < >> >> Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com> >> >>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Hi All, >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Let me state up front that S/V Dynamic Equilibrium’s sail are not >> >> OEM >> >>>>>>>> stock and neither is the roller furler. I have owned the boat >> since >> >>>>>> 1987 >> >>>>>>>> and will tell you what I’ve ended up with after a lot of >> >>>>>> experimentation. >> >>>>>>>> The main sail is a very roachy, fully battened, club racing HD >> >> dacron >> >>>>>>>> sail. It has 3 rows of jiffy reef points. The headsail is a >> 150% >> >>>> genoa >> >>>>>>>> made of Bainbridge’s Cruise-Lam sailcloth in a Bi-Radial >> >> construction. >> >>>>>>>> Cruise-Lam is composite sailcloth with dacron outer layers, a >> Kevlar >> >>>>>> scrim, >> >>>>>>>> and a core of mylar. The sail has a foam luff pad to enable it >> to >> >>>> take >> >>>>>>>> full advantage of the upper and lower swivels on the Harken Unit >> 0 >> >>>>>> roller >> >>>>>>>> furler it’s flown on. As the winds build, my 1st move is to >> lower >> >> the >> >>>>>>>> mainsail’s gooseneck to the lower position. The next step is to >> >> put a >> >>>>>> reef >> >>>>>>>> in the mainsail. This configuration allows the boat to be sailed >> >> with >> >>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>> leeward rub rail in the water and virtually no weather helm. >> >> However, >> >>>>>> you >> >>>>>>>> must keep your hands on the sheets and steer to the waves >> because a >> >>>>>> gust or >> >>>>>>>> helmsman error will put the leeward cockpit gunnel under water >> >> faster >> >>>>>> than >> >>>>>>>> you can say, “HOLY SHIT!”! It will NOT round up in this >> >> configuration >> >>>>>> and >> >>>>>>>> the sails will not distort, spill wind, or save you. Gusts >> cause so >> >>>>>> much >> >>>>>>>> acceleration that it sets you right down in your seat. It’s >> really >> >>>>>> quite >> >>>>>>>> addictive! Roller reefing the genoa down to ~130% will allow the >> >> boat >> >>>>>> to >> >>>>>>>> sail more up right, not scare my wife, and allow the autopilot to >> >>>> drive >> >>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>> boat. The next step is to put a second reef in the mainsail. As >> >> the >> >>>>>> wind >> >>>>>>>> builds, leaving the genoa at 130% with 2 reefs in the mainsail >> will >> >>>>>> enable >> >>>>>>>> maximum boat speed with minimal weather helm at the expense of >> >>>> constant >> >>>>>>>> required manual vigilance on the helm and sheets. Roller reefing >> >> the >> >>>>>> genoa >> >>>>>>>> down to ~110% in these conditions will make the boat docile >> enough >> >>>> that >> >>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>> autopilot can still control it on any point of sail with the wind >> >>>>>> forward >> >>>>>>>> of a broad reach. Roller reefing down to 110% is about as small >> as >> >>>> the >> >>>>>>>> Harken Unit 0 roller furler can reef the sail while still >> >> maintaining >> >>>>>>>> reasonable sail shape. When the genoa is roller reefed down to < >> >>>> 110%, >> >>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>> mainsail needs a 3rd reef in order to balance the helm. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> In summary, reduce mainsail area or lower the center of effort >> >> first, >> >>>>>>>> either by lowering the boom, or reefing. As the wind builds, the >> >>>>>> strategy >> >>>>>>>> of leaving maximum possible sail area forward of the mast will >> >> reduce >> >>>>>>>> weather helm, maximize boat speed, and pointing ability. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Here on the Great Lakes, there is a lot of light air in the >> summer, >> >>>>>>>> punctuated by periods of heavy weather. I cope by flying >> cruising >> >> and >> >>>>>>>> tri-radial spinnakers during the light air. I found the 175% >> genoa >> >>>> was >> >>>>>> cut >> >>>>>>>> too heavy to fly well in light air and the sail could only be >> reefed >> >>>>>> down >> >>>>>>>> to ~130% before the shape was hopelessly compromised. Remember >> this >> >>>> was >> >>>>>>>> with a Harken Unit 0 roller furler with upper and lower swivels >> and >> >> a >> >>>>>> foam >> >>>>>>>> luff pad. The OEM roller furler and sails will not be able to >> do as >> >>>>>> well. >> >>>>>>>> But, my sail shape standards might be higher than yours. I never >> >>>> found >> >>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>> 175% genoa to be particularly difficult to tack. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Roger Pihlaja >> >>>>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> >> for >> >>>>>>>> Windows 10 >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >
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