So Shawn,
    Attached is an old picture of Enosis in Mexico with the riding sail.
We had just turned over the boat to my son (6'3) and his 4 friends (6 to
6'6" tall).  No, I have no Idea how they managed for almost 2 weeks on that
boat in Mexico.  Yes the riding sail works well in many situations.

Chris Geankoplis
ENOSIS


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On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 6:24 PM Shawn Boles <shawn.sustain at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Chris:
>
> I thought you had a riding sail and that it worked well for you. If you
> still have pictures could you post them?
>
> Thanks and cheers,
>
> Shawn
> s/v Sweet Baboo
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 24, 2020, 1:16 PM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I like the bow eye and painter anchoring method. I’ll try it next year
> when
> > I can get to Enosis in Greece. I was given as a gift a riding sail
> similar
> > to a Banner Bay sail. I don’t use a boom room so I’m not a windvane and
> the
> > boat hunts a lot. With the riding sail it is rock steady. If the swell is
> > off from the wind I can often bring the bow into the swell for a nice
> > night’s sleep using an appropriate preventer. I don’t use it if there are
> > strong  altering tidal currents.
> >
> > Chris Geankoplis
> >
> > ENOSIS
> >
> > On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 at 09:28, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > By the time I put up the pop top + enclosure and the cockpit boom room
> > > enclosure, S/V Dynamic Equilibrium has so much windage aft of the
> center
> > of
> > > buoyancy; that, the bow always points strongly into the wind, like a
> big
> > > weather vane.  This weather vane tendency is so strong it overwhelms
> any
> > > effect that the off center pull from using the bow chock/bow cleat vs.
> > the
> > > bow eye might cause.  Yes, in theory, the off center pull does
> generate a
> > > torque that might cause the boat to sail around its anchor.  But, the
> > > weather vane effect from the excess windage aft completely dominates
> the
> > > boat’s response to a wind shift.
> > >
> > > We don’t have tidal current shifts here on the great lakes and rivers
> > > always tend to flow in the same direction.  I’d be interested in
> hearing
> > > from ocean sailing Rhodies regarding whether anchoring from the bow eye
> > vs.
> > > bow chock/bow cleat makes any difference in the way the boat lies to a
> > > current vs. the way it lies to the wind.  My expectation is that there
> is
> > > very little difference; but, I’d like to hear from people that have
> > actual
> > > experience.
> > >
> > > Regarding the question about using the bow eye vs. the bow chock/bow
> > cleat
> > > when tied up to a mooring – Commercial moorings usually have a huge
> > > mushroom anchor or engine block buried in the mud and all chain rode up
> > to
> > > the mooring ball.  This setup has little, if any, shock absorbing
> > > properties.  But, isn’t the pennant from the mooring ball up to the
> boat
> > > usually nylon?  Isn’t that where the shock absorbing is supposed to
> > occur?
> > > If so, you definitely wouldn’t want to use chain here.  Given the huge
> > size
> > > of the mooring anchor and all steel chain rode, I don’t think it makes
> > much
> > > difference whether you use the bow eye or the bow chock/bow cleat when
> > > tying up to a mooring.  That huge, deeply set, mooring anchor is not
> > going
> > > to move no matter how much or how little scope you let out.
> > >
> > > Roger Pihlaja
> > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > >
> > > Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> > > Windows 10
> > >
> > > From: Peter Nyberg<mailto:peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 9:40 PM
> > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bow Eye vs. Bow Cleat?
> > >
> > > I am in total agreement with Roger on the benefits of anchoring from
> the
> > > bow eye rather than the bow cleat.
> > >
> > > My approach to doing so is a little different.  I have 10’ of 3/8” line
> > > with a thimble in one end permanently attached to the bow eye with a
> > > shackle.  I refer to this line as my ‘painter’.  When I’m not anchored,
> > the
> > > painter is looped over and tied off to the pulpit.  After I’ve
> anchored,
> > I
> > > attach the painter to the rode, and let out more scope so that the
> > painter
> > > takes the load.
> > >
> > > In addition to effectively increasing your scope, this approach
> > eliminates
> > > any chafing that might occur where the rode comes over the toe-rail.
> > >
> > > I originally tried this approach because someone way back in the
> archives
> > > suggested that it would reduce the tendency of R22 to swing on its
> > anchor.
> > > Unfortunately I did not find this to be true to any significant extent.
> > >
> > > Peter Nyberg
> > > Coventry, CT
> > > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Apr 23, 2020, at 5:51 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi All,
> > > >
> > > > There is a real advantage to rigging the anchor line thru the bow eye
> > > vs. directly to the bow cleat.  The choice of the bow eye vs. the bow
> > cleat
> > > has a significant effect on the anchor scope.  This is because the bow
> > eye
> > > is ~1.5 ft closer to the water vs the bow cleat.  For example, suppose
> we
> > > are anchoring in 7 feet of water.  The bow eye is ~2 feet above the
> water
> > > and the bow cleat is ~3.5 feet above the water.  Suppose we let out 65
> > feet
> > > of anchor rode.  The scope using the bow eye is 65 / (7 + 2) = 7.2  The
> > > scope using the bow cleat is 65 / (7 + 3.5) = 6.2  A scope of 7.2 is
> > > sufficient for decent overnight holding with a minimum 65 foot radius
> > swing
> > > circle.  A scope of 6.2 is marginal for an overnight night stay.
> > > Sometimes, there isn’t sufficient swing room to let out more anchor
> rode,
> > > say if you are the last boat to drop the hook in a crowded anchorage.
> In
> > > addition, it’s considered bad anchoring etiquette to use up all the
> swing
> > > room in an anchorage even if you are the first one there.
> > > >
> > > > Fortunately, you don’t have to tie off to the bow eye in order to get
> > > the scope advantage of using it.  Simply run the anchor rode thru the
> bow
> > > eye first, then up to the bow cleat, and cleat it off.  This will give
> > you
> > > all the scope advantage of using the bow eye and all the ease of tying
> > off
> > > to the bow cleat.  When departing, reach down and hook the anchor rode
> > with
> > > a boat hook below the bow eye.  Pull the anchor rode on board, hang on
> to
> > > it, and then uncleat the rode from the bow cleat.  Easy peasy and no
> > stress
> > > on the knees!
> > > >
> > > > I always use the bow eye in the manner described above.  There is
> just
> > > no reason not to, the extra safety margin on scope helps me sleep
> better,
> > > and I don’t annoy my fellow boaters.
> > > >
> > > > Roger Pihlaja
> > > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>