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Thanks Chris. I remember a similar story from somewhere in the Carolinas with a microburst. I've got it detailed somewhere in the files and I'll add your story to the mix. Mary LouSee the original archive post
On 12/21/2019 10:24 AM, Chris Geankoplis wrote: > If the Rhodes has as “design” flaw then lots of Rhodes would have had these > problems over the last 60 years. Anybody? Anybody? I’ve owned a Rhodes > since 1976. Mine did actually capsize. Of course it took a tornado to knock > it over while anchored in the “pot” on Poplar Island. According to my buddy > who was aboard and another eyewitness off the boat: The mast hit the mud > (12 ft deep) and the boat “pole vaulted” up then slowly drove the mast into > the mud. Did the boat right itself? Nope, So technically a capsize. It > popped right back up when we detached the stays and tabernacle pin. The > entire weight of the boat was focused on the mast step. No structural > damage. Design flaw? Can’t think of any other boat that would have > survived as well as the Rhodes. Do I trust the Rhodes? With my life. 43 > years and more than 10,000 miles of ocean, river. bay, and lake sailing I > still am sailing the Rhodes. > Chris Geankoplis > ENOSIS > > On Sat, 21 Dec 2019 at 07:45, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote: > >> Thanks Richard. I had forgotten that one. I'll add it to the list I will >> cite in my letter to SCA. >> >> I'm probably not going to get to it until after the New Year so if >> anyone else would like to remind me of examples of how the R22 can >> handle squalls and storms. I've got the ones from the owners group FAQ. >> >> My point will be that any boat can be overcome by the right set of >> conditions but to attribute the loss of this R22 to supposed design >> flaws is a real stretch. >> >> Thanks, >> Mary Lou >> >> On 12/20/2019 8:02 PM, Richard Beytagh wrote: >>> If anyone has concerns about the Rhodes 22 being able to withstand >> extreme >>> weather conditions have a look the attached. This was a boat I delivered >> to >>> Port St Joe a couple of years ago. This area was hit by hurricane Mike >>> head-on and this was the only boat in the marina that survived intact. I >>> know it's not the same as being out at sea in a force 10, but it speaks >>> spades when all others had been washed a way or sunk: >>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOfAtfXoJ44&authuser=0 >>> >>> Go to around 2:30min to see the lone dark blue R22 still floating... >>> >>> >>> ~~~ _/) ~~~ >>> >>> Richard Beytagh >>> Phone: 828 337 0180 >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 5:30 PM Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> >> wrote: >>>> So I just read the Small Craft Advisor article (Issue #121, p20) article >>>> and I'm rather annoyed. I'll need to read the article again when I have >>>> more time but here is a quick and somewhat careful synopsis. >>>> >>>> The author writes about sailing his Sailmaster 22 (good boat, Sparkman & >>>> Stephens design) and getting caught in the same storm that capsized the >>>> R22. In many ways, it's a good article about what he did in the face of >>>> the storm and what he should have done better. He gets onto shaky ground >>>> when he starts talking about why the R22 capsized (he doesn't seem to >>>> have direct knowledge in spite of talking to the skipper of the R22 and >>>> is just speculating on how the design may have contributed to the >>>> capsize) and why his boat didn't. He makes at least one error and a >>>> couple errors of omission in talking about the design of the R22. >>>> >>>> Early on in the article the author quotes me from my chapter in "Sailing >>>> Small" quoting GB's website about the R22 being "uncapsizeable under >>>> sail." It's irrelevant as the R22 was motoring at the time as was the >>>> Sailmaster. Both evidently saw the storm while near the mouth of their >>>> home creek and both elected to make a run for the dock or at least >>>> sheltered water. The R22 was capsized. dismasted and "the salvage crew >>>> couldn't refloat the boat, so a crane was used to lift it onto a small >>>> barge." The Rhodes evidently had extensive damage to the bow and was >>>> uninsured. >>>> >>>> I'm planning on writing a letter to SCA correcting a couple of >>>> statements by the author and adding some thoughts of my own having had >>>> the R22 out in a significant squall as described in Sailing Small. If >>>> any Long Island Rhodies know more about the incident, I'd love to hear >> it. >>>> Mary Lou >>>> ex-R22 >>>> now Rosborough RF-246 >>>> Rock Hall, MD >>>> >>>> . >>>> >>>> >>>> On 12/20/2019 11:33 AM, Cary Tolbert wrote: >>>>> This popped up on my phone. The Rhodes 22 is in good company. >>>>> Donna Lang on her second solo circumnavigation trip in her Southern >> Cross >>>>> 28 , 1982 vintage, >>>>> got caught in 50 mph winds and was knocked down and dis-masted. This >> is a >>>>> Blue Water boat >>>>> with a Dis./Bal. of 40%. It can happen to anyone. You can't mess with >>>>> mother nature; well you can but your playing against the house. >>>>> >>>>> Cary >>>>> Whisper '86 >>>>> Radford,VA >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 1:58 PM Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>>> Was the boat sailing or laying to? >>>>>> >>>>>> Rick Lange >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Dec 19, 2019, 12:07 PM stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Force 10. That is 55 mph, and up, winds with giant waves. I guess >> we >>>>>>> will have to lower any claims to 50 mph winds. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have spent most off my sailing days on the Great South Bay. It is >> so >>>>>>> shallow it is impossible to lose anything. And although on the ocean >>>>>>> side of Long Island, there never was anything close to a force 10 >> storm >>>>>>> in my day. Global warming? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We did list once in the middle of the night when low tide had the >>>> family >>>>>>> sleeping stacked up on top of each other. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 12/19/19 8:49 AM, Chris Geankoplis wrote: >>>>>>>> details? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 12:53 PM gramille <gramille at tds.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Did any of you read the article in the latest issue of Small Craft >>>>>>> Advisor >>>>>>>>> about the loss of a R22 in Long Islands Great South Bay? Sobering >>>>>>> reading! >>>>>>>>> Have a Happy New Year full of safe sailing adventures. >>>>>>>>> Graham in snowy Vermont >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ >>>>>>>>> >>
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