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Chris Geankoplis
Pop too hard enclosure
2022-05-19; 15:00:53 EDT
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2004-04-05
Posts: 2046
I’ll see if I can find a picture. Chris GSee the original archive post
On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 9:53 AM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote: > I don’t have the benefit of owning those items so I don’t know how it > where they are stowed. > Ric > Dadventure. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 19, 2022, at 10:36 AM, Chris Geankoplis < > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > You could store them in the same manner as the cockpit filler cushions > and > > boards? > > > >> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 9:21 AM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> > wrote: > >> > >> I like your alternative solution to the soft top enclosure. > >> For storage under the cockpit seats - Only two reasons I can think of > and > >> they are both personal: > >> 1 It keeps the panels secure, out of the way and invisible - but easy to > >> get to and close to their intended purpose. > >> 2. It leaves (a little) room for whatever else you might want to be > there. > >> Here’s one more - it will protect the clear panels from scratches better > >> than if they lived on the cockpit sole. > >> > >> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP > >> ric at stottarchitecture.com > >> O -631-283-1777 > >> C- 516-965-3164 > >> > >> > >> > >>> On May 18, 2022, at 5:37 PM, Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi Ric, > >>> > >>> Can you please explain why they ought to be up against the bottom of > the > >> bench seat? > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> Patrick > >>> > >>> > >>>> On May 18, 2022, at 3:37 PM, Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> > >> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Patrick - you might consider using the straps (or a bracket) to hold > >> the panels up against the bottom of the bench seats rather than down on > the > >> cockpit sole. > >>>> Ric > >>>> > >>>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP > >>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com > >>>> O -631-283-1777 > >>>> C- 516-965-3164 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> On May 18, 2022, at 3:05 PM, Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Ric, > >>>>> Thanks for the suggestion, the front panel fit snugly under the > >> starboard > >>>>> cockpit seat, not a mm to spare. This is not planned. The two side > >> panels > >>>>> sit on top and there's still room to slide a shallow container on > top. > >> I > >>>>> need straps to tie the 3 panels down. > >>>>> > >>>>> Roger, > >>>>> Q1, I sew a PVC cover for the back, first time sewing, lots of > >> language, > >>>>> please see pictures attached. > >>>>> Q2, No windows. Slide open the hatch for ventilation, push the whole > >> top up > >>>>> for more. If needed, I will add a strip of fine mosquito nettings and > >>>>> velcro the netting from the raised FG top to the 3 panels. I should > be > >> able > >>>>> to sew this strip with ease now. > >>>>> > >>>>> I have an old pop top enclosure and it doesn't fit any more. The > rigid > >>>>> panels can be installed a lot easier, installed without leaving the > >> cabin. > >>>>> > >>>>> Just came back from a solo shake down sail with all the tops up. Duck > >>>>> survived all points of sail, top stay put. > >>>>> It is still a work in progress. > >>>>> > >>>>> Photos will be on a seperate email. Gmail doesn't like oneDrive. > >>>>> > >>>>> patrick > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 9:43 AM ROGER PIHLAJA < > roger_pihlaja at msn.com > >> <mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Hi Patrick, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I like the smooth, clean look of your hard pop top enclosure. > >> However, I > >>>>>> have two questions: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> 1. My canvas pop top enclosure has provision for sealing off the > >>>>>> companionway hatch above the hatch cover boards. On your hard pop > >> top > >>>>>> enclosure, is there another piece that seals off the companionway > >> hatch > >>>>>> opening that is not shown in the picture? > >>>>>> 2. The side windows and door on my canvas pop top enclosure have > >>>>>> windows. Each of these windows is complete with inner privacy > >> screens, > >>>>>> insect screens, and clear plastic windows that shed rain. Does your > >> hard > >>>>>> pop top enclosure have any provisions for ventilation and privacy? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The following 6 pictures are from the archives: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> [cid:image004.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70 > >> <cid:image004.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70>] > >>>>>> > >>>>>> [cid:image006.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70 > >> <cid:image006.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70>] > >>>>>> > >>>>>> [cid:image008.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70 > >> <cid:image008.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70>] > >>>>>> > >>>>>> [cid:image010.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70 > >> <cid:image010.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70>] > >>>>>> > >>>>>> [cid:image011.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70 > >> <cid:image011.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70>] > >>>>>> > >>>>>> [cid:image012.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70 > >> <cid:image012.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70>] > >>>>>> > >>>>>> As you can see, the canvas pop top enclosure rolls up and fits > loosely > >>>>>> into a 20 liter dry bag. This dry bag will fit up under the gunnel > >> behind > >>>>>> the cockpit seats. I have some Velcro straps up there to keep it in > >>>>>> place. There is enough room on the foredeck to do the 6 illustrated > >>>>>> folding steps, although it’s easier on the dock or a lawn. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Do you sail with your hard pop top up? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Roger Pihlaja > >>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 < > >> https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>> for Windows > >>>>>> > >>>>>> From: Ric Stott<mailto:ric at stottarchitecture.com <mailto: > >> ric at stottarchitecture.com>> > >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 5:28 AM > >>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > >> <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure > >>>>>> > >>>>>> We’ll done Patrick. Very nice look. > >>>>>> I think they could be stored under the cockpit seats if a clever > >> support > >>>>>> was crafted, they would disappear under the seat and leave room on > the > >>>>>> cockpit sole for more. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> On May 17, 2022, at 5:13 PM, Brian Ferguson < > >>>>>> brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I’m getting a Com-Pac 23/IV vibe from that picture. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 16:44 Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Very impressive! > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2022, 4:39 PM Patrick Cheung < > >> chitakcheung at gmail.com> > >>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Someone wanted to see the exterior, here you go. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Patrick > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On May 17, 2022, at 8:08 AM, Patrick Cheung < > >> chitakcheung at gmail.com> > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Hi Graham, > >>>>>>>>>> I am still thinking where to stow the board. > >>>>>>>>>> I am thinking of standing them up forward and against the > >> bulkhead. I > >>>>>>>>> previously lowered the floor at the head area, and there's enough > >>>>>> height > >>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>> stow the boards. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> patrick > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 7:59 AM ROGER PIHLAJA < > >> roger_pihlaja at msn.com > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Jeff, Peter, & Patrick, > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Peter is correct about just keeping out rain when the boat is > not > >>>>>>>>> moving. However, if you trailer your boat in the rain &/or ever > >> take > >>>>>>>> green > >>>>>>>>> water over the deck while sailing; then, you will find the raised > >> lip > >>>>>>>>> around the pop top will not be enough. Patrick is correct about > >> the > >>>>>>>>> adhesive backed closed cell foam tape adhered to the top and > bottom > >>>>>> edge. > >>>>>>>>> This foam-to-foam seal will keep out all but the most driving > rain, > >>>>>> even > >>>>>>>> at > >>>>>>>>> expressway speeds. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Roger Pihlaja > >>>>>>>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Sent from Mail< > >>>>>> > >> > https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&data=05%7C01%7C%7C17ace04c9a2045a740f108da38c9e2d6%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637884737002251430%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=ysvpwNHbwU4NxKoY%2FU%2FlFDTChknp9qwkgql3sZ7X4Fc%3D&reserved=0 > >> < > >> > https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&data=05%7C01%7C%7C17ace04c9a2045a740f108da38c9e2d6%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637884737002251430%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=ysvpwNHbwU4NxKoY%2FU%2FlFDTChknp9qwkgql3sZ7X4Fc%3D&reserved=0 > >>>> > >>>>>> for > >>>>>>>>> Windows > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> From: Patrick Cheung<mailto:chitakcheung at gmail.com <mailto: > >> chitakcheung at gmail.com>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 6:13 PM > >>>>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > >> <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> White foam sponge tape, will be adhered to top and bottom edge. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Patrick > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On May 16, 2022, at 9:09 PM, Peter Nyberg < > >> peter at sunnybeeches.com <mailto:peter at sunnybeeches.com>> > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I wouldn't think it needs one. You're just keeping rain out. > >> The > >>>>>>>>> raised lip around the pop-top should be enough to keep water out. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> --Peter > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-05-16, at 20:51:22 EDT, Jeff Kantor wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> What provides the weather seal at the deck? > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>>>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>>>>>>>> Name: image0.jpeg > >>>>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg > >>>>>>>>> Size: 161497 bytes > >>>>>>>>> Desc: not available > >>>>>>>>> URL: < > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> > https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frhodes22.org%2Fpipermail%2Frhodes22-list%2Fattachments%2F20220517%2F447c2849%2Fattachment.jpeg&data=05%7C01%7C%7C17ace04c9a2045a740f108da38c9e2d6%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637884737002251430%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=7cPZpk9arvSrIS3gUWJx7d5%2BQE5ZOnAFjHpO1rrBZL4%3D&reserved=0 > >> < > >> > https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frhodes22.org%2Fpipermail%2Frhodes22-list%2Fattachments%2F20220517%2F447c2849%2Fattachment.jpeg&data=05%7C01%7C%7C17ace04c9a2045a740f108da38c9e2d6%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637884737002251430%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=7cPZpk9arvSrIS3gUWJx7d5%2BQE5ZOnAFjHpO1rrBZL4%3D&reserved=0 > >>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>>>>> Name: 2B466B7DD36848D698E95C037E80A8E1.jpg > >>>>>> Type: image/jpeg > >>>>>> Size: 131155 bytes > >>>>>> Desc: 2B466B7DD36848D698E95C037E80A8E1.jpg > >>>>>> URL: < > >>>>>> > >> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220518/45cce48c/attachment.jpg > >> < > >> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220518/45cce48c/attachment.jpg > >>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>>>>> Name: 7F76D7249BB94B8EAF637DDFF506C068.jpg > >>>>>> Type: image/jpeg > >>>>>> Size: 126986 bytes > >>>>>> Desc: 7F76D7249BB94B8EAF637DDFF506C068.jpg > >>>>>> URL: < > >>>>>> > >> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220518/45cce48c/attachment-0001.jpg > >> < > >> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220518/45cce48c/attachment-0001.jpg > >>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>>>>> Name: 080AA8D8E0E3445D86E9A0DE3081AA81.jpg > >>>>>> Type: image/jpeg > >>>>>> Size: 122790 bytes > >>>>>> Desc: 080AA8D8E0E3445D86E9A0DE3081AA81.jpg > >>>>>> URL: < > >>>>>> > >> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220518/45cce48c/attachment-0002.jpg > >> < > >> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220518/45cce48c/attachment-0002.jpg > >>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>>>>> Name: 4E09D8803A784571BDBCB1DAC1F045C4.jpg > >>>>>> Type: image/jpeg > >>>>>> Size: 126621 bytes > >>>>>> Desc: 4E09D8803A784571BDBCB1DAC1F045C4.jpg > >>>>>> URL: < > >>>>>> > >> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220518/45cce48c/attachment-0003.jpg > >> < > >> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220518/45cce48c/attachment-0003.jpg > >>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>>>>> Name: F77C4013A09F48B392E88AE69DA6F8E5.jpg > >>>>>> Type: image/jpeg > >>>>>> Size: 120641 bytes > >>>>>> Desc: F77C4013A09F48B392E88AE69DA6F8E5.jpg > >>>>>> URL: < > >>>>>> > >> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220518/45cce48c/attachment-0004.jpg > >> < > >> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220518/45cce48c/attachment-0004.jpg > >>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>>>>> Name: 9E3B144DE4AF45348681971DA714A05A.jpg > >>>>>> Type: image/jpeg > >>>>>> Size: 178259 bytes > >>>>>> Desc: 9E3B144DE4AF45348681971DA714A05A.jpg > >>>>>> URL: < > >>>>>> > >> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220518/45cce48c/attachment-0005.jpg > >> < > >> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220518/45cce48c/attachment-0005.jpg > >>> > >> > >> >
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