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2022-02-07; 15:44:13 EST
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For what it's worth....I had General Boat install my tiller pilot and they took the power from the motor lift (which comes from battery #2). Reuben Mezrich Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, BostonSee the original archive post
On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 3:08 PM Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote: > Roger, > > Thanks again for taking the time and effort to provide such a detailed and > complete description of the options for installing the Tiller Pilot. > > I returned to my boat yesterday to take more detailed measurements and > found that the tiller pin actually should go on the bottom of the tiller, > so that is consistent with what other owners have done. > > While sailing her yesterday (one advantage of living in Georgia is year > round sailing) I realized that you are correct about the advantage of > keeping the power socket towards the aft of the cockpit. > > I also think I’ll get the power from the starter battery, since I have > easy access to a connection block in the lazarette. > > Thanks again for your advice! > > Mike > > > > Michael McKay > (630) 209-2054 (m) > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Feb 3, 2022, at 6:22 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote: > > Mike, > > > > I have an old fashioned varnished wood tiller. I haven’t seen the GB > fiberglass tiller. So, I don’t know exactly how it is shaped. But, the > nice thing about the Raymarine pedestal mount is; there is a 3” OD X ½” > thick base which is thru bolted to the top of the gunnel. Then, there is a > cylindrical pedestal that screws into the base. The Tillerpilot has a pin > that drops into the top of the cylindrical pedestal. The cylindrical > pedestal is available in a variety of lengths to adjust for the difference > in height between the top of the gunnel and the top of the tiller. The > Tillerpilot Owner’s Handbook gives instructions how to determine the > appropriate length of the cylindrical pedestal such that the Tillerpilot is > installed level with the top of tiller. The cylindrical pedestals are > available in the following lengths and you would need to choose the length > that raises the Tillerpilot up above the top surface of the tiller. > > > > Pedestal Length Raymarine Part No > > 38 mm (1.5 inch) D026 > > 50 mm (2.0 inch) D027 > > 64 mm (2.5 inch) D028 > > 76 mm (3.0 inch) D029 > > 89 mm (3.5 inch) D030 > > > > I think I needed the D027 Pedestal. But, I don’t seem to have it > written down anywhere and the boat is in winter storage for a couple more > months. The chances are, your fiberglass tiller would need a different > length cylindrical pedestal anyway. > > > > I looked at all the other mounting options for the Tillerpilot. Between > the selection of different length pushrods and the different height > cylindrical pedestals, this mounting option gives the best overall fit and > leaves the least intrusive hardware permanently attached to the tiller and > gunnel. For example, when the Tillerpilot is not being used, the > cylindrical pedestal can be unscrewed and stowed with the Tillerpilot. > This leaves just the base attached to the gunnel, which is small enough to > sit on and not likely to snag a line or stub your toe. There is also no > permanently attached bracket on either the top or the underside of the > tiller. > > > > Regarding the plug and socket for the Tillerpilot cord - The socket > comes with a waterproof cap, which has a retaining lanyard, so you can’t > lose it. The plug itself is waterproof and I’ve never had an issue with > water intrusion in 22 seasons. For me, running the cable thru an area of > the cockpit wherein you are unlikely to sit on it &/or foul a line on it is > a more important issue than protecting a waterproof socket from the > elements. But, that’s just me. Certainly, mounting the socket inside the > coaming compartment will work. > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for > Windows > > > > From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com<mailto:mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> > > Sent: Thursday, February 3, 2022 12:19 PM > > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations > > > > Roger, > > > > This is very helpful information. Other owners like Peter and Bill > > installed the mounting socket directly into the gunnel as opposed to > using > > the pedestal mount. Bill installed his tiller pin on the bottom of the > > tiller using the 1" tiller bracket, but that won't work for me. > > > > I have a GB fiberglass tiller. The bottom of my tiller is exactly level > > with the height of the gunnel. For that reason I think I need to put the > > tiller pin on top, which may require the use of the pedestal mount to > keep > > the Tiller Pilot horizontal. Is that what you did? > > > > I'll reconsider where to put the electrical socket--you make a good point > > about keeping the seating area clear. I also need to replace my tiller > > extension with a shorter one since the current extension covers the point > > where the tiller pin needs to be. These boat projects have a nasty > habit of > > growing as you get into them! > > > > Thanks again for your support. > > > > Mike McKay > > s/v Liber (2006/2018) > > Allatoona Lake > > Acworth, GA > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of > ROGER > > PIHLAJA > > Sent: Wednesday, February 2, 2022 4:44 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations > > > > Mike, > > > > In my previous post, I gave Raymarine Tillerpilot P/N's. These > pieces/parts > > assumed the gunnel end of the Tillerpilot would be mounted on the top of > the > > gunnel on the starboard side. The pedestal mount is thru bolted thru the > > top of the gunnel using 4 SS fender washers as backing plates. This > type of > > mount will load the gunnel in shear. The 4 fender washers will provide > more > > than enough shear strength for this application. > > > > Far more critical is the installation of the pin in the tiller. It > needs to > > be precisely mounted in terms of the distance from the center of rudder > > rotation and the angle of the pin in the tiller. The pin needs to be > > vertical when the tiller is all the way down. > > > > I considered mounting the socket for the Tillerpilot in the starboard > > coaming compartment. But, I decided against it because the cable would > be > > in the way in between the Tillerpilot and the coaming compartment. > That's > > very valuable sitting real estate in the cockpit. Instead, I mounted the > > Tillerpilot socket thru the side of the starboard gunnel aft of the > > Tillerpilot. This puts the cable out of the way of the mainsheet and > > traveler controls and it isn't in danger of someone sitting on it. > > > > Have you ever crawled under the cockpit seats? On my boat, there is an > > epoxy coated strip of wood covering the hull/deck joint. Cables can be > > anchored to this strip of wood with cable ties & anchors. As far as the > > installation of the Tillerpilot socket, the underside of the gunnel can > be > > accessed from the lazarette compartment. Assuming the lazarette > compartment > > is cleaned out, I can get my whole body in there and I'm a pretty big guy > > and not very flexible anymore. > > > > You will need to use a fish tape or an unbent wire clothes hanger to fish > > the wire from the cockpit bulkhead to the circuit breaker box. It's > only a > > couple of feet, so this is a pretty easy fishing job. The Tillerpilot > > should be on it's own separately fused circuit. > > > > Other than that, refer to my previous post. > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Sent from Mail< > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cc61deb045f3b4e34337008d9e7526ed8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637795163510316570%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=m2mIbKc28wuZ6wT75jpDglW0mh16Mms%2B5sirULe9lcs%3D&reserved=0> > for Windows > > > > From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com<mailto:mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 2, 2022 11:02 AM > > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations > > > > Hi Peter, > > > > I do have Bill's writeup, as well as Roger's email describing his Tiller > > Pilot installation. My boat has speed and depth transducers in the > > lazarette, so the pathway into the coaming is already present. > > > > Since I will be drilling holes in my boat for the first time, I want to > make > > sure my plan sounds reasonable based on your experience. I intend to > > install the electrical socket for the Tiller Pilot in the starboard > coaming > > pocket. I will also install a 12V socket there as well. Since these > will > > be relatively small holes I am guessing that I will need to use a fish > tape > > or something like that to get the wiring from the electric panel > connection > > to that hole. Is that how you did it? > > > > I'm also hoping that my gunnel is thick enough so I don't have to > reinforce > > the Tiller Pilot mounting socket from underneath. If that is not the > case, > > I believe I can reach that point from inside the lazarette. Is that what > > you did to put the hardwood backing block in Silverheels? > > > > Thanks for all you help and for the amazing library of videos you have > > shared with our community. > > > > > > Mike McKay > > s/v Liber (2006/2018) > > Allatoona Lake > > Acworth, GA > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of > Peter > > Nyberg > > Sent: Monday, January 31, 2022 5:59 PM > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations > > > > Mike, > > > > I'm not Roger, but I'll offer some of my experience anyway. > > > > First, I hope you've found Bill Wickman's write-up of the installation > of a > > Raymarine ST-1000 on his boat: > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frhodes22.org%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cc61deb045f3b4e34337008d9e7526ed8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637795163510316570%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=0UhN6lzUm4L8Bb7fNpP4WUb%2FTku3fZTlMz%2FLVVwn0tc%3D&reserved=0 > > > %2Fdocument.html%3Fdocuments%2FTillerPilotSetuponRhodes22.pdf&data=04%7C > > > 01%7C%7C46b1c3e18c8d4716342608d9e67e7d8d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa% > > > 7C1%7C0%7C637794253233449617%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJ > > > QIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=qHOiiYudmChIw13 > > nZzsvDBcaTFJ8DxOZWGu0TMF2joA%3D&reserved=0 > > > > To answer your second question first, I had an unused circuit on my > > electrical panel, and used that to power the tiller pilot. Since that > > placed a breaker into the circuit, I did not also include and inline > fuse. > > It seems to me that would be redundant. > > > > As for the routing of wires... If you have the standard General Boat > > galley, there's an area that's below the electrical panel, above the > > counter-top and behind the sliding panels. If you drill a hole in the > aft > > panel of this area, you will have an opening into the interior space of > the > > starboard coaming. Do this close to the hull, just to be sure you're not > > drilling a hole into the cockpit. > > > > Best of luck, > > > > Peter Nyberg > > Coventry, CT > > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > > > >> On 2022-01-31, at 16:36:49 EST, Michael McKay wrote: > >> > >> Hi Roger, > >> > >> I am finally prepared to install a Tiller Pilot on s/v Liber and am > hoping > > to > >> get some additional advice before I start. > >> > >> 1) What is the best way to route the wiring harness to the starboard > > coaming > >> pocket? > >> 2) Did you connect your Tiller Pilot to the electric panel or bypass > that > > and > >> connect it to the house battery directly? I do understand that an > inline > > fuse > >> is required in either case. > >> > >> I do plan on eventually installing a chartplotter and integrating the > > Tiller > >> Pilot with that, but that is a project for another day. > >> > >> Thank you for all your contributions to this forum! > >> > >> Mike McKay > >> s/v Liber (2006/2018) > >> Allatoona Lake > >> Acworth, GA >
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